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I think that diversity by color is good because it often brings with you diverse ideas. Having the same group of people over and over in companies, movies, games, etc. leads to stale ideas.

I loved playing the Battlefield 1 intro because of the story of the Harlem Hellfighters. It was something new and different. The same with the last story mission. Diversity of characters can lead to new, interesting ideas.

Seeing generic white protagonist #304 on game covers gets old quickly. Gaming can do better. I'm glad EA realized this.



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Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

It doesn't matter that much to me, I'm just saying a little diversity wouldn't hurt, not when the actual demographics of game buyers is fairly diverse. 

It wouldn't hurt nor would it help so why push the agenda?

What agenda? I'm just offering an opinion. Quite frankly I don't give that much of a fuck. It's fairly obvious though the game buying audience is quite diverse, so it wouldn't really hurt if new games with new characters maybe had a little more thought put into them than just "well just make the character a white dude". 

This isn't the country music industry, 90%+ of the gaming fan base is not white, that's just simply a fact. 



Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

When ever I got to a midnight launch or even an E3 type event, the make up of the gamers I see there is usually quite diverse. 

 

The above is New York City (Central Park). 

The Pokemon Go crowds were very diverse. And then you have the Asian markets too (Japan and South Korea in particular being gaming hotbeds). Are a lot of gamers white? Sure. But a lot aren't. 

I mean gaming is simply a fairly diverse hobby. Actually I think it's cool that gaming can bring people together like this. 

You also see a lot of ugly people in those pics - I don't see people clamoring for ugly protagonists. Why is skin colour the only attribute you want to bring to games? Is that all that identifies these people?

Sure have more ugly people too then, lol. Mario/Luigi aren't exactly supermodels though either. 

Though even in this respect gaming is normalizing a bit, Lara Croft looks more like a regular person than a walking set of tits as in the 90s. 



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

It wouldn't hurt nor would it help so why push the agenda?

What agenda? I'm just offering an opinion. Quite frankly I don't give that much of a fuck. It's fairly obvious though the game buying audience is quite diverse, so it wouldn't really hurt if new games with new characters maybe had a little more thought put into them than just "well just make the character a white dude". 

This isn't the country music industry, 90%+ of the gaming fan base is not white, that's just simply a fact. 

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?



Soundwave said:
Lawlight said:

You also see a lot of ugly people in those pics - I don't see people clamoring for ugly protagonists. Why is skin colour the only attribute you want to bring to games? Is that all that identifies these people?

Sure have more ugly people too then, lol. Mario/Luigi aren't exactly supermodels though either. 

Though even in this respect gaming is normalizing a bit, Lara Croft looks more like a regular person than a walking set of tits as in the 90s. 

No, now she looks like an actual supermodel compared to the PS1 days.

 

Edit: And apparently real human beings can have big tits.



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no, it is not a real criticism. The reality is that most developers create their characters as white men because that's what the majority of characters in any form of media are. Is it a bad thing? No. It isn't a good thing but it isn't harming anyone.



Lawlight said:
Soundwave said:

What agenda? I'm just offering an opinion. Quite frankly I don't give that much of a fuck. It's fairly obvious though the game buying audience is quite diverse, so it wouldn't really hurt if new games with new characters maybe had a little more thought put into them than just "well just make the character a white dude". 

This isn't the country music industry, 90%+ of the gaming fan base is not white, that's just simply a fact. 

What the hell are you talking about? The majority of games protagonists aren't white males anymore. When will that get through your skull?

I'm sorry but that's pure bullshit. The majority of protagonists in games are still white. In fact 90% of characters (humanoid) in games are white. And I don't have a big problem with that. But don't give me that "the Kingdom Hearts characters are Asian" ... they're about as Asian as Brad Pitt. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
no, it is not a real criticism. The reality is that most developers create their characters as white men because that's what the majority of characters in any form of media are. Is it a bad thing? No. It isn't a good thing but it isn't harming anyone.

Yup I more or less agree with that. White male is basically the default, in a few cases developers are now saying "well ... hey, maybe the character can look at little different". And that's fine too, that's just a developer realizing that the audience their making games for isn't a one dimensional demographic. 



Soundwave said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
no, it is not a real criticism. The reality is that most developers create their characters as white men because that's what the majority of characters in any form of media are. Is it a bad thing? No. It isn't a good thing but it isn't harming anyone.

Yup I more or less agree with that. White male is basically the default, in a few cases developers are now saying "well ... hey, maybe the character can look at little different". And that's fine too, that's just a developer realizing that the audience their making games for isn't a one dimensional demographic. 

The thing is most developers care more about their characters from a perspective of theme and narrative than they do genitalia, which leads them to starting with the basics and going from there. There is rarely ever a reason to highlight race or sex in a video game, so in reality choosing a white male as the default is actually stearing away from those conversations. Which I think is usually good, i'd rather just focus on the character. 



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