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Doesn't matter. Trump will rip that thing up and install a Jesus or GTFO policy. Then Trump will change his name to Jesus.



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bunchanumbers said:
Doesn't matter. Trump will rip that thing up and install a Jesus or GTFO policy. Then Trump will change his name to Jesus.

That would never happen. I'm pretty sure Trump will change Jesus' name to Trump.



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Ka-pi96 said:
hershel_layton said:

I'm fine with it.

We don't need more toxic groups to ruin society. 

So you`re fine with discrimination against groups that aren`t liked but not against muslims?

Given the way things seem to be going in the west muslims could definitely become one of society`s hated groups (if they`re not already), so at that point I assume you`ll be fine with discrimination against them too, right?

You totally took my words out of context. :(

 

I was referring to groups who are 100% hateful people. Nazis, wahhabis, etc..

 

There are many groups that I don't like, but don't necessarily hate. The ones who simply want to express their beliefs should be able to do so. I'm not against them if they don't pose a threat to others.

 



 

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Good, sign an agreement that you won't reinforce. Or are they going to nuke each and any country were religous/a-religious freedom isn't full?



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What a bizarre story... Both the law itself and anybody who buys into this.
I mean, a US law protects people around the world. For real?
Anybody learn the concept of jurisdictional authority? They buy that the US is somehow omnipotent global savior?
Does it cross the mind that dictating affairs of foreign countries leads to war?
Yet this dimwitted law sweeps that under the rug, prancing about in its self righteousness,
ignoring the hard consequences of it's premise were it to be taken seriously as "law", which it obviously cannot/willnot.
And lets just take most obvious applications of this.
How is this helping Raef Badawi, Saudi blogger beaten and jailed for alleged atheism? Literally, how does it help him?
It doesn't, there is no plausible course of action that will actually follow thru on the promise.
Saudi Arabia remains one of if not the largest US military customers with cooperation at all levels, and we won't touch them.
Yet the people backing this are all happy to feel like the morally righteous global saviors.
I don't even see this as a real law, if there is no forseen mechanism for enforcement then it isn't a real law.
Is US automatically at war to enforce it when diplomacy fails? Does it impede US foreign relations in any way?
Does it actually even impede US domestic policy in any way? (If so, worries about Trump muslim policy is gone, right?)
This is just a feel good "official statement" that is a waste of well paid officials time.
Unless they are well paid to keep the citizens sedated and distracted by irrelevencies.

Oh, and the UK is now denying Jedi followers the dignity of recognition as a religion. Fucking fascists, lets bomb them.



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bunchanumbers said:
Doesn't matter. Trump will rip that thing up and install a Jesus or GTFO policy. Then Trump will change his name to Jesus.

The irony here is Trump is probably in some ways the first truly atheist president. The way he talked about going to church was so phony, lol "you eat the little cracker and have the wine" (lol). 

The problem is and you're right he worships himself. 

It's fairly easy to manipulate the religious right though. 



DonFerrari said:
Good, sign an agreement that you won't reinforce.
Or are they going to nuke each and any country were religous/a-religious freedom isn't full?

It's not even that though.  Even an agreement establishes some international understanding of a goal.
This isn't an AGREEMENT, it's just airheads in Washington DC telling themself how good they are.
No other country gives a flying fuck about it.  Why should they?  It's fucking absurd.
On it's face it might be potential material for an international treaty.  Except it's a unilateral US "law".
And on those international treaties without enforcement mechanisms with automatic consequences,
US does not seem to feel them important enough to actually ENFORCE as the law of the land,
even though by the US Constitution they are, nobody actually takes them seriously.
e.g. Geneva Conventions.  All nuances aside, they require countries to educate their populace to them.
Great idea if you want people to follow thru on them.  Was I ever educated to them in public school?  Hell no.
Obvious material breach of the treaty.  But zero consequences.  That is just a minor one.
If legislators want to make public "calls" or "statements" for global policies they like, whatever.
But don't play make believe that doing so is actually establishing any legal protection for anybody.



Great news! Who knew it only took a piece of paper to end religious persecution around the world?



Ka-pi96 said:
johnsobas said:
So we want to be the global police of religious freedom now? Most of the offenders are in the middle east, did the people who wrote this even think for 2 seconds about what it means to interfere in religious politics in the middle east? Do you have any idea how much chaos actually doing what that would cause?

eh, it`s probably just going to end up with the US pointing their finger and saying `bad (insert country name)` and not actually doing anything.

Doesn't the UN already does that?



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Soundwave said:
bunchanumbers said:
Doesn't matter. Trump will rip that thing up and install a Jesus or GTFO policy. Then Trump will change his name to Jesus.

The irony here is Trump is probably in some ways the first truly atheist president. The way he talked about going to church was so phony, lol "you eat the little cracker and have the wine" (lol). 

The problem is and you're right he worships himself. 

It's fairly easy to manipulate the religious right though. 

As long as he believes there is a god and he claims he is a christian he is in no way an atheist, besides he still goes to a reformed church, just not the traditional classical church. Since the whole deal about atheism is very simple you don't believe there is any god, he obviously still does. But OT does this bill mean I can be openly satanic in the US if I wanted to be :p.



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