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WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

Had it been an AFD member, you would never ever have gone on an apologetic tirade like this:

"Too many people jumping to conclusions. Too many people trying to fight symptoms. Talk about laws all you want, but terrorist were never stopped by laws. They don't care about those. They will continue to appear. May I remind you, the vast majority of AFD voters are not terrorists. They're helping everywhere they can, they do good stuff. But nobody cares, fuck it, let's wait for the next sensational terror attack fuck everything else, all hail for fear and hate."

No, instead you'd be going on a fullblown witch hunt against not just those who support AFD, but everyone who is critical of immigration.

"oh but the hateful AFD rhetorics caused this"

"oh but the xenophobia allowed this climate"

"oh but we must support Mutti when she imposes censorship on Facebook and Twitter"

No one is going on a witchhunt against AfD members, no-one is claiming xenophobia is directly causing this and no one country can impose censorship. If anyone is bashing someone here, it's you.

lol

Are you unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario??

Whenever a foreigner does something bad, OdinHades, you and the other leftists are immediately there starting to explain away the terrorist and downplaying the importance, but whenever it's a right winger doing something nasty (like the alleged racist attacks in the US after Trump's election), you are there to condemn and to generalize about the whole right wing movement and demanding measures.



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You dont need large scale migration to grow the economy.

You can successfully get immigrants from peaceful muslim nations and other countries and these people won't take trucks and ran over people..



Barozi said:
Police confirmed that they got him.

Not



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Slimebeast said:
WolfpackN64 said:

No one is going on a witchhunt against AfD members, no-one is claiming xenophobia is directly causing this and no one country can impose censorship. If anyone is bashing someone here, it's you.

lol

Are you unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario??

Whenever a foreigner does something bad, OdinHades, you and the other leftists are immediately there starting to explain away the terrorist and downplaying the importance, but whenever it's a right winger doing something nasty (like the alleged racist attacks in the US after Trump's election), you are there to condemn and to generalize about the whole right wing movement and demanding measures.

Well, it's not just right wingers who are criticizing the whole migrant crisis debacle. People of the left, namely the left libertarians, are also getting fed up about this. It's really funny how the first thing left authoritarians/regressive leftists when a terrorist attack like this occurs is "We must not generalize all migrants and Muslims". Sorry, but virtue signalling isn't going to help anyone.

Letting in a ludicrous amount of migrants without proper vetting was a bad idea and has led to a lot of crime. Sexual assaults, rape, homicide, theft, arson, attempted terror attacks, and heck, sexual assaults at swimming pools have become its own category. The investigation after the rape and murder of Ladenburger shows how irresponsible the migrant crisis was handled because it took looking through countless surveillance footage to identify the murderer. The police had DNA samples from the crime scene, but they didn't know who committed the crime because they had no DNA fingerprint to match to. Going through such lengths to find him could've easily been avoided if he was fingerprinted from the start. The kicker out of that whole ordeal is that the murderer was living with a foster family, not in a shelter, which theoretically should reduce the chances of him being radicalized and engage in such criminal behavior.

Last point I want to make is it is not xenophobic to say that the migrants have a higher propensity for criminal activity. Here's some data from BKA's 2014 report:

As you can see, immigrants of Muslim-majority countries dominate child abuse and sexual assault/rape statistics in terms of per capita. Now look at Germans, they're at the bottom. Immigrants from China, Thailand, India, Brasil, and Vietnam are all the way at the bottom, too. This is why allowing mass migration of migrants from the MENA region is criticized by many from both the left and the right.



Barozi said:
Ruler said:

Youre self to be blamed you and Barozi, i remember you both being anti AFD and pro Merkel. 

#Merkel muss weg

Sure, I'm the one to blame.

Maybe next year I'm actually going to vote for her.

 

Besides, voting for AFD is the stupidest thing one like you could do. There are only two possible scenarios. Either its going to be CDU/SPD  AGAIN. Or an even more left government. Guess how they will fight for immigrant rights? Even more than Merkel. A vote for AFD is a vote for a left government. That's why it's so funny.

Yes youre the one to be blamed because you voted for her and insulted me for voting for the AFD. And keep telling it to yourself to keep voting for her.

If the CDU is just as pro immigrantion now like other left parties what does it matter if the next goverment would be Left Left Green then? Only a stronger AFD can change things. 



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Slimebeast said:

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lol

Are you unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario??

Whenever a foreigner does something bad, OdinHades, you and the other leftists are immediately there starting to explain away the terrorist and downplaying the importance, but whenever it's a right winger doing something nasty (like the alleged racist attacks in the US after Trump's election), you are there to condemn and to generalize about the whole right wing movement and demanding measures.

Please show me a post from me where I'm on a witch hunt against any right winger. Thanks.



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Peh said:

Of course the migration is different, because the times are pretty much different than before. Today, it's easier to reach certain groups of people who are open to radicalisation. The internet makes it possible.

While the evil evil internet may have a certain effect, I personally don't think "the internet" or the "different times" is really the deciding factor here.

Peh said:

But yet, you fail to provide an alternative solution like so many other people screaming at refugees and immigrants.

Actually, I wasn't even aware I was expected to provide a solution. Can't remember anybody asked me to.

But if you want to discuss possible solutions with me, that's perfectly fine with me. But please start by clarifying: Solution for what exactly?

Peh said:

This is the first terrorist attack that hit germany (It's still not confirmed what the motive is or who did this). The recent attacks done in france for example were from people being born there. It doesn't matter where you are from, it matters if you are open to such things or not.

I believe you are wrong about this being the first "terrorist attack that hit germany", but ultimately, I guess this is also a matter of whatever people consider "terrorism", so it's probably rather pointless to discuss about that.

But I agree that the problem isn't the fact that they are "muslim", "black" or whatever. That has nothing to do with this phenomenon.

Peh said:

If a country takes refugees in, then it is their responsibility to take care of them and watch them, until the issue in their home country are resolved. Even if the huge amount of refugees didn't exist. Terrorist attacks existed before that. Blame the people who are to be blamed, not the people who run away from death.

The majority of the "refugees" who came to Germany in the last 15 months were not actually "running away from death"; their lifes were not actually under direct threat. The term "Wirtschaftsflüchtlinge" has a certain truth, the majority of the people coming to Germany were not actually "running away from death", they were usually running away from a hopeless future, a bad economic situation, joblessness etc. in their home countries. So many of them were rather driven by the motivation of going to a country that must have appeared to them like the promised land: Strong economy, good social systems etc. BTW: I don't blame them for doing so. I personally had probably acted just the same if I were them.

And many of them were even more motivated by ridiculous claims; for example, surveys among refugees have revealed that 90% of those (claiming to be?) coming from Syria or Iraq had heard that in Germany they all get a free house, free money, and be allowed to get their families once they are here.

Those refugees who were indeed "running away from death", they are quite unlikely to actually become terrorists when they are here; they are probably glad enough to be in safety. But all those young male "Wirtschaftsflüchtlinge", they are exactly the ones who are most probable to get radicalized and become terrorists: They don't run for their lifes (in which case it's almost irrelevant where you're running to), they ran to certain countries specifically, believing in a much better life over there, often driven by unrealistic notions of how great life would be in germany or whatever european country they wanted to go to. Then, a few months or years later, when those unrealistic expectations have been shattered, they are completely unable to find a job etc., they can easily get very frustrated and radicalized.



Slimebeast said:
WolfpackN64 said:

No one is going on a witchhunt against AfD members, no-one is claiming xenophobia is directly causing this and no one country can impose censorship. If anyone is bashing someone here, it's you.

lol

Are you unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario??

Whenever a foreigner does something bad, OdinHades, you and the other leftists are immediately there starting to explain away the terrorist and downplaying the importance, but whenever it's a right winger doing something nasty (like the alleged racist attacks in the US after Trump's election), you are there to condemn and to generalize about the whole right wing movement and demanding measures.

No we don't. Only centre-right liberals who fancy themselves as leftists for some goddamn reason without ever decently reflecting on society think that. I wasn't surprised Trump got elected, I don't think everyone who voted for him is a racist.

Was there an increase in racist offenses in the US after Trump's election? Yes, because the real white nationalists veel vindicated. But that's only a small minority within the electorated that voted Trump.

We are all dead serious about terrorism. But how am I downplaying anything? These people will be punished as is the law, people who aren't involved won't. I don't overgenralize and I demand people do the same, is that too much to ask?



Ruler said:
Barozi said:

Sure, I'm the one to blame.

Maybe next year I'm actually going to vote for her.

 

Besides, voting for AFD is the stupidest thing one like you could do. There are only two possible scenarios. Either its going to be CDU/SPD  AGAIN. Or an even more left government. Guess how they will fight for immigrant rights? Even more than Merkel. A vote for AFD is a vote for a left government. That's why it's so funny.

Yes youre the one to be blamed because you voted for her and insulted me for voting for the AFD. And keep telling it to yourself to keep voting for her.

If the CDU is just as pro immigrantion now like other left parties what does it matter if the next goverment would be Left Left Green then? Only a stronger AFD can change things. 

Look, if you think the AfD will change things for the better in Germany, you're a total idiot.

 

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WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

lol

Are you unable to imagine a hypothetical scenario??

Whenever a foreigner does something bad, OdinHades, you and the other leftists are immediately there starting to explain away the terrorist and downplaying the importance, but whenever it's a right winger doing something nasty (like the alleged racist attacks in the US after Trump's election), you are there to condemn and to generalize about the whole right wing movement and demanding measures.

No we don't. Only centre-right liberals who fancy themselves as leftists for some goddamn reason without ever decently reflecting on society think that. I wasn't surprised Trump got elected, I don't think everyone who voted for him is a racist.

Was there an increase in racist offenses in the US after Trump's election? Yes, because the real white nationalists veel vindicated. But that's only a small minority within the electorated that voted Trump.

We are all dead serious about terrorism. But how am I downplaying anything? These people will be punished as is the law, people who aren't involved won't. I don't overgenralize and I demand people do the same, is that too much to ask?

All right. I'll give u the benefit of doubt. I'll give you credit when credit is due.