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Pemalite on 18 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:


The swamp Trump creates, most certainly does count, you do not attack your opponents for "Making a swamp" and then claim you will "Drain" said "Swamp" and then proceed to make your own "Swamp" which is made up of people who are arguably even more vile, biased, own personal agendas and swamp-like.

That is called double standards. I think the US Government should provide every American citizen waders so they can traverse the swamp in the coming years.

The impact of the new swamp is yet to be seen.

Irrellevent. Your new swamp is still a swamp, full of new, vile swamp creatures.

The difference is... All the other swamps around the world don't like your new swamp creatures. They look and smell funny. :P

UnderstatedCornHole said:
The Daily Show, left wing trash brainwashing impressionable little adults.
That Trevor Noah really does know better. At least that Stewart guy had some comedy value.

Why do the right-wing always need to resort to attacking someone elses political ideology like that persons opinion is somehow irrellevent or incorrect when often the opposite is true?
It doesn't give you credability calling someone "Leftard" or "Left Wing Trash" to me it looks like you are intolerant and closed minded to differing opinions/points of view.

Regardless of anyones politicial views though, if there is scientific consensus, that should come first. (Like Climate Change.)




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Mr Puggsly on 19 December 2016
BMaker11 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Bravo for that, I'm not denying he has had any impact on pushing criminal illegals out. I just don't believe he's been tough enough on the situation.

I support harsh penalties for those that return and going after sanctuary cities (where criminal illegals will dwell for obvious reasons). For the record, I support Obama on not throwing people out who have been here for years with no criminal record.

So, Obama is the toughest president in US history on immigration, but he's somehow "not tough enough" on immigration? This is another example of the ficticious narrative that Republicans have built that their constituency have been duped into believing, even with the facts right in their face.

Hee hee hee, so much passion and anger towards republicans you have. But your response is irrelevant... because I never said I was happy with how republicans handled immigration. Frankly, even if Obama is the toughest on immigration ever its still not good enough. Again, I want a president to go after sanctuary cites, harsh penalties for people that return, and a wall. Also, if some sort of amnesty occurs then its time to punish those employing illegals.

Here's a thought, you believe Obama is the biggest, baddest dude to ever deal with illegals in the US. While he has apparently thrown out more than any other president, why has the illegal population remained relatively stagnant? My theory, many came in because Obama is president and they hoped/believed he would be very lax about illegal immigration. So Obama was harsh on criminal illegals, he threw them out primarily, but the total illegal population hasn't changed much based on estimates. Illegals fear republicans so maybe less came while Bush was in office, but it seems many illegals came when Obama was elected because amnesty was a goal so he had to work harder to keep the illegal population at par with Bush. Its funny how much illegals fear Trump, he might push amnesty after dealing with criminal illegals.



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Mr Puggsly on 19 December 2016
bunchanumbers said:
BMaker11 said:

So, Obama is the toughest president in US history on immigration, but he's somehow "not tough enough" on immigration? This is another example of the ficticious narrative that Republicans have built that their constituency have been duped into believing, even with the facts right in their face.

Yup. Pretty much this. I get the feeling that Obama could have killed the deficit, provided insurance for everyone, and been the second coming of Bill Clinton and people like pugs would still be saying it wasn't enough.

Did Obama kill the deficit and provide affordable insurance for everyone?

Nope, not even close. His actual accomplishments are far from that and it hurt Hillary.



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Mr Puggsly on 19 December 2016
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The impact of the new swamp is yet to be seen.

Irrellevent. Your new swamp is still a swamp, full of new, vile swamp creatures.

The difference is... All the other swamps around the world don't like your new swamp creatures. They look and smell funny. :P

Why do the right-wing always need to resort to attacking someone elses political ideology like that persons opinion is somehow irrellevent or incorrect when often the opposite is true?

I know on paper the new swamp looks scary, but we'll see. Just deal with it and maybe we'll have a new swamp in four years.

Now the bolded sentence. You don't think right wingers deal with that? Espeically in a country where much of the media looks down on us.



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bunchanumbers on 19 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
bunchanumbers said:

Yup. Pretty much this. I get the feeling that Obama could have killed the deficit, provided insurance for everyone, and been the second coming of Bill Clinton and people like pugs would still be saying it wasn't enough.

Did Obama kill the deficit and provide affordable insurance for everyone?

Nope, not even close. His actual accomplishments are far from that and it hurt Hillary.

Precisely my point. A democrat president could make it so you got a high paying job and got rid of all war and you'd still be saying he did something wrong. You'd still be harboring some grudge.

Meanwhile under republican leadership we've had nothing but disaster and you like that. It makes no sense.



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Pemalite on 19 December 2016
Mr Puggsly said:

I know on paper the new swamp looks scary, but we'll see. Just deal with it and maybe we'll have a new swamp in four years.

Now the bolded sentence. You don't think right wingers deal with that? Espeically in a country where much of the media looks down on us.


I haven't seen any left-leaning people do that in this thread.
And often I don't see it in the media or other "discussions" (My evidence is Ancedotal.). - Have to admit though I am not in the USA, so things could be different over there.




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UnderstatedCornHole on 19 December 2016
Jon-Erich said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

There are honest people, liars then there are politicians.

Anything is better than a politician by default, just hearing a politician with their linguistically correct sound bites is all I need to be free of, you're free of that with Trump no matter what happens.

True. Honestly, I can't figure out if I like Trump more because of this or if I think he's just a straight up asshole. This would be like Bush admitting that he tortured people and that Iraq War really wasn't a necessary part of the War on Terrorism, or if Obama straight up admitted that he's notihng more than a Chicago politicians and that his original presidential campaign was othing more than great marketing.

Course he's an asshole, you don't make it as far as he has or anywhere near that far without being one, crossing people, classic lying etc.

That wasn't part of the package I was looking forward to with Trump winning we will be rid of the following to a large degree.

 

PC culture

SJW culture

Force milliennials to get bored with politics because they are powerless self entitled idiots on a ration of 99-1.

Disband the racist BLM movement.

Take race out of politics all together

Make media outlets responsible for their "coverage".

Unmask scumbags who exploit their sexuality to make money/career.

Disrespect for police.

 

Basically just get rid of the lies of propaganda in politics, the smoke and mirrors and the "you can't say that" crap where grown adults show the temperament of children.



S.T.A.G.E. on 19 December 2016
pokoko said:
The primary job of a politician is to get elected. Everything else is secondary.

Any man who brags about decieving you is just as bad as the politicans he was voted in to be different than. His ego is polarizing to all other presidential figures who have ever existed.



Mr Puggsly on 19 December 2016
bunchanumbers said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Did Obama kill the deficit and provide affordable insurance for everyone?

Nope, not even close. His actual accomplishments are far from that and it hurt Hillary.

Precisely my point. A democrat president could make it so you got a high paying job and got rid of all war and you'd still be saying he did something wrong. You'd still be harboring some grudge.

Meanwhile under republican leadership we've had nothing but disaster and you like that. It makes no sense.

But you're saying things Obama didn't do.

You also speak as if democrats could magically avoid conflicts with other countries. Historically they played a big roll in some wars and the Obama administration has made big blunders in the current war. Now we got Obama basically making threats to Russia.



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UnderstatedCornHole on 19 December 2016
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pokoko said:
The primary job of a politician is to get elected. Everything else is secondary.

Any man who brags about decieving you is just as bad as the politicans he was voted in to be different than. His ego is polarizing to all other presidential figures who have ever existed.

I'm sure that washes in ancient proverb circles but it's just a general statement and is not in the slightest bit empyrical.

God only knows what that translates to in real terms.

Enlighten us.