naruball said:
Mummelmann said:
Well, is there such a huge difference? It it better to lie and then not come clean? The vast majority of campaign promises are lofty and unlikely to come true, and those who make them know this full well. Trust me, I'm no Trump fan, far from it, but at least he admits to speaking BS, this is part of the reason why he won at all.
I dislike politicians in general, it seems like regardless of party and affiliation, corruption and egocentrical thinking becomes the norm. Like in Norway recently, they had a vote on whether or not to double the severance pay for politicians who have served in office, from one year to two years, average severance pay being in the order of about 100-120.000$, the Social Democrats, Left, Progress Party (populist right) and Christian Peoples Party voted for, almost all of them, that's a really widespread agreement on unjust and unfair terms for the most overappreciated profession in the world, most of these folks have never held a real job in their lives.
It's the same in Sweden, the right pretends that it's simply a question of future economical concern and the well being of their fellow citizens when they opposed almost any immigration, and the left preaches anti-hatred, anti-violence and tolerance and then turn out to be both violent, intolerant and hateful.
In short; politicians are assholes, Trump is also an asshole but at least he's open about it, which makes him easier to oppose and disect... I guess that's my point. Or something.
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Yes, but don't you think that there are assholes who from a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the worst) deserve a 5, while others a 10?
For example Obama tried to do a lot of things but was blocked by Republicans who voted against his proposals because he didn't have the majority. It seems that he did try to do certain things and wasn't intentionally lying (and even if he was about some things, definitely not most things like Trump).
Just like with murderers. There are (A) those who killed someone because he did something to them (still, they shouldn't and they belong in jail)
and (B) those who kill 5 black people because they are black. I'm sorry but even if they're open about it, I think they're worse. And even though they are both murders, they're really not the same.
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Sure, there are degrees of "asshole-ism", I'd say. On a scale, Trump scores higher than most, he spouts a lot of hate and ignorance and he triggers the worst in his followers. But, to me, someone who pretends to be a humble represesentative of the people who understands their struggle, and then jumps on opportunities for money and power at the first chance and works towards infiltrating and influencing various systems and authorities to take part in corruption, that's even worse (this is exactly what Social Democrats in Sweden and Norway have been doing for some time). It's two-faced and extremely dishonest. Here in Scandinavia, both the right and left are guilty of it though, just about the only ones who don't play this particular game are populists, both left and right (that doesn't make them better though, perhaps only more transparent, but a transparent idiot is still and idiot).
To quote a character from my book; "An honest bastard is still a bastard."
