Now the whole Pro argument would make sende if we knew how muvh of that was shipped. As of the start of december even amazon didnt have stock for the PS4pro. If you wanted to or tried to buy a PS4pro last week you would have got an "item will be available December 13-15th" message.

What that should tell you is that sony didn't ship buttloadd of PS4pro's.

And this New hardware thing has to stop. It's not like it's new hardware coming in at a lower price point. Its new hardware designed specifically for a very small market segment that actually costs more than the original hardware. You should also take those into consideration before you start extrapolating deductions.

But tell you what, continue what you are doing, I'm not gonna get sucked into this anymore than I've already. let's wait and see who wins December, then January through April.... if XB1 is really doing all you are suggesting, then I expect them to win the majority of those months. And if that happens, then we can start saying Sony has a problem. In NA. 

There goes mine and ppls prediction of the PS4 breaking the Wii's record =(

I really thought it would due to Slim + VR + Pro

I think VR is a niche product and PS4P as well is not having huge benifits as of now. I will not be surprised if 80% of PS4 sales was from PS4S

Last year there were 3520k hardware units sold across all main platforms (excluding the Vita). The PS4 & XBO represented about 80.5% of that total, or 2835k units (the 3DS made up just under 10%, leaving about 9.5% for the Wii U, 360, & PS3). At minimum (i.e., assuming a $300 BF price tag), the PS4 & XBO generated $850M in revenue. With the rumored 2100k PS4+XBO total, they would have generated between $525-630M. The 3DS had to have generated at least $56M in revenue. If we assume the Wii U is down by half YoY, that means it generated about $36M. So, assuming Nintendo hardware generated at least $90M in revenue, that leaves at most around $634M for Sony & MS hardware, and with the Vita, 360, & PS3 essentially dead (they probably sold less than 100k units combined), we can probably assume at least $600M of that was just the PS4 & XBO.

With prices for the Slim models ranging from $250 to $300, that gives us anywhere from 2M to 2.4M in unit sales. With the $400 Pro being in the mix, the upper end of that range is unlikely. That rumored 2.1M total is plausible.

Even with both systems having cheaper slim models and the PS4 Pro being released, combined PS4 & XBO unit sales would have to be down year over year by at least 15.3% and, if the rumored 2.1M figure is true, by as much as 26%. Why sales would be down by so much YoY, I don't know. Maybe Black Friday is losing its influence. But in any case, it would be extremely disappointing. It means combined PS4+XBO YTD sales are so far down 8.6% YoY, a marginal improvement of where they were at the end of October, but considering the XBO had been up YoY from August to October and Sony had released the Pro, you would have thought unit sales would have been up a fair amount YoY in November. That doesn't appear to be the case.

December is going to have to see YoY unit sales growth for the PS4 & XBO of at least 24.9% to keep combined Nov.+Dec. sales from being down YoY overall.

Indeed!! but the best performing current gen console over the last 24 months overall has always been PS4..And now with the PS4 Pro launch -Nov should have been a breeze for Sony (like as in a huge sales gap).  Especially on the back of the PS4 Pro Nov launch combined with PSVR as well as PS4 Slim (and at a lower price!!) which are also very recent releases.  We should have seen a smashing November...But instead we are seeing a month down on hardware and possibly an almost tied position with Xbox (rumour seems to be gathering momentum [or support at least by other posters here] on this thread). That has to be concerning for Sony's future position in the U.S. I mean after all the PlayStation is still their main money maker there.  December should be very interesting indeed. Maybe Sony should have included the 4k upscaler and player on their slim model after all! add to this I think MS are well prepared to pour  even more money into gaming now especially with the latest news that Windows 10 has seen success with taking business away from Steam and their Surface line of products has seen the best month ever in terms of sales which generates even further cash for their services and devices business.

Just to let you kno that the charts are revenue. Pokemon took the top spot in units sold without digital (2.7mil+)