November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

[3sexty]

Intrinsic said:

3sexty said:

Then obviously you have completely ignored or conveniently forgotten my recent posts in which I have repeatedly claimed the slim models of both consoles would always be the stronger sellers (and for the same reason I claimed Xbox One s has outperformed ps4 slim for offering additional value). In any case, I think you are completely missing an important point here. This (PS$ PRo) is a launch piece of hardware with months of preorders and yet we are obseerving a decline (compared to last year) in ps4 hardware for the month - this coupled of course with a super budget slim model..  Please read my previous posts for your own sake of clarity.

Now the whole Pro argument would make sende if we knew how muvh of that was shipped. As of the start of december even amazon didnt have stock for the PS4pro. If you wanted to or tried to buy a PS4pro last week you would have got an "item will be available December 13-15th" message.

What that should tell you is that sony didn't ship buttloadd of PS4pro's.

And this New hardware thing has to stop. It's not like it's new hardware coming in at a lower price point. Its new hardware designed specifically for a very small market segment that actually costs more than the original hardware. You should also take those into consideration before you start extrapolating deductions.

But tell you what, continue what you are doing, I'm not gonna get sucked into this anymore than I've already. let's wait and see who wins December, then January through April.... if XB1 is really doing all you are suggesting, then I expect them to win the majority of those months. And if that happens, then we can start saying Sony has a problem. In NA. 

Ok then mate. that is a fair comment. At the end of the day it is all really about opinions and how we see things progressing based on our own understanding of what is happening in the industry. Lets just wait and see like you say. It is an enjoyable topic to discuss nevertheless.