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3sexty said:
                            

Indeed!! but the best performing current gen console over the last 24 months overall has always been PS4..And now with the PS4 Pro launch -Nov should have been a breeze for Sony (like as in a huge sales gap).  Especially on the back of the PS4 Pro Nov launch combined with PSVR as well as PS4 Slim (and at a lower price!!) which are also very recent releases.  We should have seen a smashing November...But instead we are seeing a month down on hardware and possibly an almost tied position with Xbox (rumour seems to be gathering momentum [or support at least by other posters here] on this thread). That has to be concerning for Sony's future position in the U.S. I mean after all the PlayStation is still their main money maker there.  December should be very interesting indeed. Maybe Sony should have included the 4k upscaler and player on their slim model after all! add to this I think MS are well prepared to pour  even more money into gaming now especially with the latest news that Windows 10 has seen success with taking business away from Steam and their Surface line of products has seen the best month ever in terms of sales which generates even further cash for their services and devices business.

Shouldn't MS be worried about the usefulness of launching Scorpio next year? Why would a mid gen refresh do wonders for MS as it seems less and less likely that ps4 pro is revitalizing sales. The XBox One S is doing great because it's seen as the best value, best deals and a great upgrade to the original XBox One. While the ps4 slim is more expensive and doesn't have the same hype around it as the even more expensive pro is taking the spotlight.

Next year the pro is likely down a lot in price and the roles could be reversed. Scorpio will be taking the shine of the XBox One S, while the pro is the cheaper alternative seen to be just as good for 4K HDR experiences. It looks like the mid gen refresh is having the opposite effect atm, slowing down overall sales. That is if the rumored numbers are correct.

Btw 4k upscaler is kinda pointless if you look at input lag stats of current 4K tvs. The input lag is lower for many 4K tvs when receiving a 1080p signal and upscaling that themselves, compared to receiving a 4K signal and displaying that. Counter intuitive, yet for gaming it's better to leave the XBox One S in 1080p output mode. But true, it would have been better for marketing if ps4 slim could boast 4K upscaling as well. I guess Sony wanted to give the Pro a bigger advantage over the slim by making a clear distinction between 1080p slim and 4K pro. MS has made a bigger hurdle for themselves next year to promote a true 4K console over a 4K upscaled console. The XBox One S is already advertised as a 4K console here, more so than the ps4 pro even...