Then you either didn't read anything I said or you have refused to think about it. 

There are two PS4 SKUs in the market now. Not one. TWO. I would really like to see what you would say when December npd comes out. 

When or how has Sony tripped up? That you feel MS is taking advantage of?

What's going on here? is it that you guys have absolutely no idea what's been going on these last 3 months?

Yes and yes. 

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Totally right. I've been dumping on Xbox for three years, but I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. Microsoft has done everything right lately: offering a cheap, slim model that doubles as a 4K Blu-Ray player, backward compatibility, bundling new games with prequels, reinvesting in first party content, and killing it with GWG.

The success of Microsoft is proof positive of why competition is good for the industry.

I believe November will be close in the US but globally Sony will win big. Microsoft seems to have better deals thru the year and on Black Friday but they really don't have a choice. Sony doesn't really need to win the US and the U.K. Just staying close in sales is all they needed to do and in fact they have (total to date) sales leads in both countries. Worldwide total sales is the important figure to look at not just two or three countries. Competition is good for all and I have both consoles but not looking at Worldwide figures when talking about systems sold is just being in denial. Happy Gaming!

Well, yes, clearly not for you. But I'm attempting to channel the thinking of the average Joe out there who sees a cheap 4K Blu-ray player with Gears of War and Forza Horizon and compares it to a platform pushing expensive, not-ready-for-primetime VR. 

I think its too early to say MS has "leapt" ahead of anything. Regardless of these wins, i think sony is still ahead of them by iver a million in NA. 

I also think that if we look at all the events of the last 3/4 months it's really easy to see why the XB1s is selling better. New sku, big titles, price drops, fire sales..... all those things should no doubt equate to better sales. 

Let's see what happens in November and December. Cause in those months a Sony win could very well negate every win ms has had this far And then when we get to January when things slow down again, if sony goes back to winning then it was all for naught. 

MS has been swinging hard these past months while Sony has just watched. Now they are both gonna be swinging. so I think we all should wait for November and December npd. 

Yes, and based on sales, most consumers have been squarely in the PS camp all generation. Thus my personal opinion is attempting to channel the thinking of the average consumer who bought the PS4 because it was cheaper and had bigger games.

I didn't say anything about laziness...

First it was the debacle that was No Man's Sky which Sony put its marketing behind. Then it was Sony's restrictive modding policy with regards to Bethesda's Fallout 4 and Skyrim games. Microsoft has been less restrictive in that regard. Then the PS4Pro not being able to play 4K Blurays which the XB1S can, Microsoft made sure to emphasize. Also, the PS4Pro being weaker specs-wise than the upcoming Scorpio, Microsoft doing a better job of implementing backwards compatibility, and even Microsoft claiming their gaming network is the better one (not sure how true that is).

Also, if memory serves (no pun intended), external storage on the PS4 and PS4 Pro is a hassle compared to the X1.

PS4 never stopped outselling xb1 by a long shot unless you're referring to globally in the US in which case Microsoft has won about 25% of the time here in the states. 

And actually you should be extremely surprised with how this generation is going, considering you thought the Xbox would have a global lead over ps4 by this holiday, solely from sales in the US.

Globally in the US.