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black8jac on 27 November 2016
Turkish said:
JRPGfan said:

7nm wont be "ready" and cheap until probably mid way through 2019.

It wouldnt be smart to start a new gen, without aiming for makeing a 7nm chip (imo).

 

Also because of shrinkage difficulties this might be the last gen where we see big improvements like this.

Which means Playstation 5 / Xbox Two will have to be built to last a while.

Interesting to see what they plan to do after silicon based chip, and how that ll translate to consoles.

7nm will be ready by 2018. TSMC is having designs taped out for 15 customers next year.

"We have expanded our N7 design ecosystem development to include both mobile and high-performance computing, to enable our customers to deliver their first-to-market products. Our N7 adoption is very strong, with customers ranging from mobile GPU, game console, FPGA, network processors and other consumer product applications. We have more than 20 customers in intensive design engagement with us and expect to have 15 customer tape-outs in 2017. The volume production of N7 will start from first half 2018"

http://www.tsmc.com/uploadfile/ir/quarterly/2016/2izbs/E/TSMC%202Q16%20transcript.pdf

So plenty of time for a late 2019 release. Also 16nm is less than 6 months available and the PS4P had a RX480 in it so it doesn't matter whether the technology is new and "not cheap".

The new consoles also don't have to be on a smaller node for there to be a giant leap against current gen. There's plenty of gpu gens between them, hell the leap will be big between the PS4P and Xbox Scorpio(1.8TFLOP) and they're on the same node, just different architecture. Besides 16nm is already that leap from 28nm. With 2.3x the power PS4P exclusive games would make quite the difference with the og PS4.

My bet is on VEGA20 for PS5. 7nm process, 150W TDP, 12tflops, but it may as well be NAVI - its coming 2019. 



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Uabit on 27 November 2016
vivster said:
"People who have spent thousands of dollars on a high-end PC are getting that experience."

"Trust us, we can do the same for a fraction of the cost because magic."

If Sony can for 400 bucks why couldn't Microsoft? /s



vivster on 27 November 2016
Uabit said:
vivster said:
"People who have spent thousands of dollars on a high-end PC are getting that experience."

"Trust us, we can do the same for a fraction of the cost because magic."

If Sony can for 400 bucks why couldn't Microsoft? /s

The Pro isn't even near the performance of a $1000 PC.



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Teeqoz on 27 November 2016

My Scorpio is arriving in a few days. Though I am aiming for a mere 1440p.



StuOhQ on 27 November 2016

60 fps at a lock is more important to me. 4K resolution isn't taken full advantage of at casual viewing distances, anyhow. For VR... that's another story. I'm interested enough in the social aspects of gaming that VR doesn't hold much allure to me.



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alabtrosMyster on 27 November 2016

This is funny how these exact same people will argue that you cannot make the difference between 720p or 900p compared to 1080p, because nobody can "see it" unless they sit at a few inches from their set, yet they talk about the 4K capabilities of their next console as if resolution was the most important aspect of graphics ONLY AFTER SCORPIO IS RELEASED.

Oh well... PR has to sell the products the company they work for makes I guess...



Azzanation on 27 November 2016
LurkerJ said:
Greenberg, Phil, Nelson. Less talk, more action, thank you.

At this point you seem to have run out of Scorpio talking points so you are just repeating yourselves and it's pathetic.

Is it pathetic that executives are hyping up there projects? 

Its post like these that make me wonder why your in a MS thread.



d21lewis on 28 November 2016
alabtrosMyster said:

This is funny how these exact same people will argue that you cannot make the difference between 720p or 900p compared to 1080p, because nobody can "see it" unless they sit at a few inches from their set, yet they talk about the 4K capabilities of their next console as if resolution was the most important aspect of graphics ONLY AFTER SCORPIO IS RELEASED.

Oh well... PR has to sell the products the company they work for makes I guess...

Brother, I could write a laundry list of the times gamers flip flopped in favor of their favorite console maker. Certain things become more or less important depending on who's winning. I've learned to accept it and laugh.

 



black8jac on 28 November 2016
Bristow9091 said:
Really True 4K is the next step after UltraHD... that's what we'll be buying.

And the step after that is "Honestly Really True 4K"



d21lewis on 28 November 2016
black8jac said:
Bristow9091 said:
Really True 4K is the next step after UltraHD... that's what we'll be buying.

And the step after that is "Honestly Really True 4K"

And then , 4K WMITT*.

 

 

 

*We Mean It This Time