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FarleyMcFirefly on 08 November 2016
Soundwave said:

I would like to see a Nintendo x Microsoft team up. Why not. They are basically across the street from each other anyway.

Having three divided companies in this business has never worked. One always ends up getting the very short end of the stick in consoles (see also: Turbo Grafx 16, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, GameCube, etc. etc.). It only worked in the Wii era because of a fluke miracle break out hit with the Wiimote and as far as I can see, Nintendo has nothing new like that at all (making the Wii U tablet basically portable instead of tethered to the home console is not a "revolution"). 

Bromance it up. A Nintendo + MS console would be gaurunteed to have a solid position in the market always, no need for relying on gimmicks and flaky audiences that bail out on you for cheap smartphone games and are unwilling to try anything more complex than a Mario Kart game even after 5 years. 

I could get behind this!



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Soundwave on 08 November 2016
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Nintendo sells 70 million portables ... but consoles? Not even close, not unless they have a miracle controller to ride on, and they don't have that anymore. 

Nintendo could still sell Switch, I don't think MS would have any issue with that. That's a portable centric line of hardware pretty far removed from something like the XBox Scorpio. 

40-50 million consoles is still too high for MS to just give up on the brand. That's not "treading water". That's a valuable brand, they have issues globally ... but therein lives yet more incentive to work with Nintendo. 

If XBox was selling 20-30 million tops then OK I could see them abandoning it, but if you're doing above Sega Genesis/SNES numbers, that's just too strong to give up on entirely. 

A distinction between home consoles and handhelds is irrelevant when Nintendo removes said distinction. Switch isn't giving up Nintendo's presence in living rooms and if they can sell 40-50m systems (your threshold), then why should they partner up with Microsoft who bring questionable qualities to the table, but would want a notable share of the money?

Why not sell 50-60 million Switches, and have a big stake in 70+ million XBoxes as well?

Nintendo has had portable centric consoles sell alongside home systems for a long time so that's not really a conflict of interest, the consumer does not give a shit about "marketing distinctions".

People do not want to buy just a Nintendo home console anymore. I don't think they ever did. The NES and Super NES succeeded because they had a wide variety of software, if the NES had only 1st party games and the Sega Master System had its 1st party games + all the third party games that the NES had, it probably would've won that console cycle. Wii succeeded on hitting pay dirt with a controller craze and underserved market that isn't underserved any longer and from what I can tell, Nintendo is out of controller gimmicks, if they had something big it would be front and center part of the Switch. 

If they can get a good deal from MS, I would strongly consider it. A stable 60-70 million console userbase would reap healthy profits for them and ensure a large market presence and they'd still be free to take home all they want from the Switch. 



Kerotan on 08 November 2016
RolStoppable said:
The headline makes it seem like Nintendo gifted him one, but I don't infer that from the tweet.

Anyway, it's usual PR work. Everyone loves Nintendo when they don't do well.

It's so cynical but the likes of me and you see right through it.  if Nintendo were a threat to MS like Sony are you'd never see this from them.  PR will be PR though so it's to be expected. 



Nautilus on 08 November 2016

As Rol stated, this is probably PR work.

But I like to see the positive side of things and I actually think thats an awesome gesture!



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Soundwave on 08 November 2016
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

Why not sell 50-60 million Switches, and have a big stake in 70+ million XBoxes as well?

Nintendo has had portable centric consoles sell alongside home systems for a long time so that's not really a conflict of interest, the consumer does not give a shit about "marketing distinctions".

People do not want to buy just a Nintendo home console anymore. I don't think they ever did. The NES and Super NES succeeded because they had a wide variety of software, if the NES had only 1st party games and the Sega Master System had its 1st party games + all the third party games that the NES had, it probably would've won that console cycle. Wii succeeded on hitting pay dirt with a controller craze and underserved market that isn't underserved any longer and from what I can tell, Nintendo is out of controller gimmicks, if they had something big it would be front and center part of the Switch. 

If they can get a good deal from MS, I would strongly consider it. A stable 60-70 million console userbase would reap healthy profits for them and ensure a large market presence and they'd still be free to take home all they want from the Switch. 

Where do 70m+ Xboxes come from all of a sudden? You disregard the sales of high-selling Nintendo home consoles of the past and at the same time bump up Microsoft's number to an unreal one. Microsoft's track record suggests that anything above 50m is going to be a longshot. Xbox (24m), Xbox 360 (~90m), Xbox One (projected to be below 40m). Xbox Scorpio is going to be a next generation system, features a new CPU and GPU on its motherboard.

XBox One is trending towards 40 million LTD, if you could involve Nintendo I think that would bump to 60-70 million. 10 million more from Japan right off the hop where MS has basically 0. An additional 10-20 million from EU/Americas.

The combined effect of both Nintendo and MS libraries and full third party support would in general create an overall more appealling singular platform as a whole anyway which would siphon off some Playstation users too. Super Mario + Halo + Zelda + Minecraft w/exclusive Nintendo content + Gears of War + Smash Brothers + Mario Kart + Forza + Donkey Kong Country + Metroid and all third party multiplats is a platform even Sony would have some problems matching up with, they'd have Uncharted + Horizon + God of War + uh ... Gran Turismo + the same multiplatform games. 



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Soundwave on 08 November 2016
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

XBox One is trending towards 40 million LTD, if you could involve Nintendo I think that would bump to 60-70 million. 10 million more from Japan right off the hop where MS has basically 0. An additional 10-20 million from EU/Americas.

The combined effect of both Nintendo and MS libraries and full third party support would in general create an overall more appealling singular platform as a whole anyway which would siphon off some Playstation users too. Super Mario + Halo + Zelda + Minecraft x Nintendo + Gears + Smash Brothers + Mario Kart + Forza + Metroid and all third party multiplats is a platform even Sony would have some problems matching up with, they'd have Uncharted + uh ... Gran Turismo + the same multiplatform games. 

So now Nintendo has become a third party publisher for Microsoft? How is Switch supposed to sell 50-60m units when Nintendo is going to be busy putting their best games on Xbox?

They'd be partners, they would get a stake in the XBox brand (say distribution rights in EU and Japan/Asia markets, makes sense since MS isn't doing great there anyway). 

Might as well keep the XBox brand because it's a reasonably strong, well known brand in the West. 

Switch would still be a portable and still would have Pokemon and Nintendo could also keep certain strategic titles on the Switch or Switch first. How did Nintendo sell handhelds and consoles for like 25 years? You can't put an XBox Scorpio into your coat pocket and play it on the train. 



Soundwave on 08 November 2016
RolStoppable said:
Soundwave said:

They'd be partners, they would get a stake in the XBox brand (say distribution rights in EU and Japan/Asia markets, makes sense since MS isn't doing great there anyway). 

Might as well keep the XBox brand because it's a reasonably strong, well known brand in the West. 

Switch would still be a portable and still would have Pokemon and Nintendo could also keep certain strategic titles on the Switch or Switch first. How did Nintendo sell handhelds and consoles for like 25 years? You can't put an XBox Scorpio into your coat pocket and play it on the train. 

That sounds like an incredibly stupid partnership. Nintendo gets to distribute the toxic Xbox brand in Europe and Japan/Asia while Microsoft gets Nintendo games on their platform. You need to go back to the drawing board.

I would say a equitable or favorable deal (for Nintendo) would be 

Microsoft Gets: 

- Certain Nintendo games and VC games on XBox and Windows PC platform. Nintendo chooses which ones (minimum of 3-4 console titles per year). 

- Nintendo design input/support into hardware/controller design. 

- Shared profits in Minecraft x Nintendo collaborations and Minecraft Amiibo toys. 

- Can publish on Switch with no licensing fees. 

- No Nintendo games on Playstation formats; obviously this would generally make the XBox brand far more competetive worldwide. 

- Potential of maybe Windows mobile OS used in future Switch iterations. 

- Agreement by Nintendo for the length of said contract that they will not make a dedicated home console to compete against XBox directly. Switch and other portable centric platforms are allowed and fully supported by MS. 

 

Nintendo Gets:

- Co-branding of XBox worldwide (meaning Nintendo logo is on the hardware alongside MS logo). 

- Distribution of XBox hardware in Asia/Japan and possibly EU markets (Germany, France, Italy, etc.). 

- Input into hardware designs. 

- A 20-40% cut of XBox third party royalty fees and no royalty fees charged on their own XBox console software (100% take home profit)

- Microsoft Software support for Switch (Halo Switch, Banjo-Kazooie Switch, etc. etc.)

- MS covers marketing costs for Nintendo's XBox titles. 

- Perhaps on top of that just regular ol' money bags too. 



Rob5VGC on 08 November 2016

I wonder if Nintendo sent Shuhei Yoshida one? You know...because he owns 2 Wii U's, but then again...he did get banned twice on MiiVerse for the funniest reasons.



HintHRO on 08 November 2016

So people who can easily afford one gets one for free and we have to pay for it.



chakkra on 08 November 2016

Ok, IF this was a gift then why didnt they send one to Sony's president as well?  (Then again, maybe they did and Sony's president hasnt said anything about it).