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GProgrammer on 19 November 2016

Did the Failure of the Wii U stop Nintendo trying again, So why should the failure of the Switch be anything different?



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zorg1000 on 19 November 2016
GProgrammer said:
Did the Failure of the Wii U stop Nintendo trying again, So why should the failure of the Switch be anything different?

Wii U had 3DS to partially counter its failure, Switch is the successor to both so if it fails than there is no other gaming device to fall back on.



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NavyNut on 19 November 2016

Maybe its the console that will flick the switch off to console market.



Miyamotoo on 20 November 2016
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Relly, and how much of them have picture on half of console!? And point with Order 1886 is cinema screen ratio, also games with cinema screen ratio are very rare. It has matter because separate control was always feature of home console, controler thats conected to console that plays games on TV, PSP itself cannot be separate controller because it's device that plays games, seperate controller means separate controller from console note device itself, that's why it calls seperate. Local multiplayers is still very important for games like NBA, Fifa, PES, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter...plenty of Nintendo 2D...and really doesn't matter how much that's relevant, point is thats feature of home console not of handheld. Really, you could play local multiplayer with one GameBoy out of box, I didn't know that..

Your arguments are very weak or doesn't make any sense, Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, its built from ground and with main purpose that can act like real home console and like real handheld out of box, OS is built with that purpose, hardware is built with that purpose, controls are are build with those purpose, games are built with those purpose, hybrid, (so it not just handheld that has just option to have just picture on TV like PSP) that's why home console users and handheld users will buy it, you cant say that for PSP.

Try firing up an NES or SNES on a modern TV, in most cases it will not be full screen. And there's no meaningful difference between a separate controller and the PSP being the controller, you're still looking at the TV with a controller in your hands. The majority of modern console games do not support local multiplayer, while portable games dating as far back as 1989 do.

Switch is a portable. It is mobile Tegra hardware in a portable form factor. It simply has a dock instead of a cable for connecting to the TV/charging. It's just the next gen evolution of devices like Vita and PSP.

Did you actually read I wrote in last post!? If you didnt then read now:

"Relly, and how much of them have picture on half of console!? PSP had half of picture even on old TVs not modern. And point with Order 1886 is cinema screen ratio, also games with cinema screen ratio are very rare. It has matter because separate control was always feature of home console, controller that's connected to console that plays games on TV, PSP itself cannot be separate controller because it's device that plays games, seperate controller means separate controller from console note device itself, that's why it calls separate. Local multiplayers is still very important for games like NBA, Fifa, PES, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter...plenty of Nintendo 2D...and really doesn't matter how much that's relevant, point is thats feature of home console not of handheld. Really, you could play local multiplayer with one GameBoy out of box, I didn't know that.."

Because it has mobile Tegra hardware its portable!? :D    When you have Switch in dock and you have separate controller in your hand, Switch has home console form factor not portable. Whole point of Switch is to "switch" between home console mode and handheld mode, it's a hybrid.

Again, Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, its built from ground and with main purpose that can act like real home console and like real handheld out of box, OS is built with that purpose, hardware is built with that purpose, controls are are build with those purpose, games are built with those purpose, hybrid, (so it not just handheld that has just option to have just picture on TV like PSP) that's why home console users and handheld users will buy it, you cant say that for PSP and Vita, they were never considered for hybrids or home consoles while its very obvous that Switch is real hybrid and that you can consider for home console also.



Nem on 20 November 2016

If i had a penny everytime someone makes this thread with the name of the latest Nintendo console...



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curl-6 on 20 November 2016
Miyamotoo said:

Did you actually read I wrote in last post!? If you didnt then read now:

"Relly, and how much of them have picture on half of console!? PSP had half of picture even on old TVs not modern. And point with Order 1886 is cinema screen ratio, also games with cinema screen ratio are very rare. It has matter because separate control was always feature of home console, controller that's connected to console that plays games on TV, PSP itself cannot be separate controller because it's device that plays games, seperate controller means separate controller from console note device itself, that's why it calls separate. Local multiplayers is still very important for games like NBA, Fifa, PES, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter...plenty of Nintendo 2D...and really doesn't matter how much that's relevant, point is thats feature of home console not of handheld. Really, you could play local multiplayer with one GameBoy out of box, I didn't know that.."

Because it has mobile Tegra hardware its portable!? :D    When you have Switch in dock and you have separate controller in your hand, Switch has home console form factor not portable. Whole point of Switch is to "switch" between home console mode and handheld mode, it's a hybrid.

Again, Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, its built from ground and with main purpose that can act like real home console and like real handheld out of box, OS is built with that purpose, hardware is built with that purpose, controls are are build with those purpose, games are built with those purpose, hybrid, (so it not just handheld that has just option to have just picture on TV like PSP) that's why home console users and handheld users will buy it, you cant say that for PSP and Vita, they were never considered for hybrids or home consoles while its very obvous that Switch is real hybrid and that you can consider for home console also.

There is no such thing as a hybrid of portable and console. If a device is portable, then it is not a home console. 

Switch's hardware is mobile. Its form factor is mobile. The dock and the detachable controllers are just additional features, no different from PSP's ability to be connected to a TV, or Vita's ability to stream PS4 games wirelessly.



Miyamotoo on 21 November 2016
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Did you actually read I wrote in last post!? If you didnt then read now:

"Relly, and how much of them have picture on half of console!? PSP had half of picture even on old TVs not modern. And point with Order 1886 is cinema screen ratio, also games with cinema screen ratio are very rare. It has matter because separate control was always feature of home console, controller that's connected to console that plays games on TV, PSP itself cannot be separate controller because it's device that plays games, seperate controller means separate controller from console note device itself, that's why it calls separate. Local multiplayers is still very important for games like NBA, Fifa, PES, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter...plenty of Nintendo 2D...and really doesn't matter how much that's relevant, point is thats feature of home console not of handheld. Really, you could play local multiplayer with one GameBoy out of box, I didn't know that.."

Because it has mobile Tegra hardware its portable!? :D    When you have Switch in dock and you have separate controller in your hand, Switch has home console form factor not portable. Whole point of Switch is to "switch" between home console mode and handheld mode, it's a hybrid.

Again, Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, its built from ground and with main purpose that can act like real home console and like real handheld out of box, OS is built with that purpose, hardware is built with that purpose, controls are are build with those purpose, games are built with those purpose, hybrid, (so it not just handheld that has just option to have just picture on TV like PSP) that's why home console users and handheld users will buy it, you cant say that for PSP and Vita, they were never considered for hybrids or home consoles while its very obvous that Switch is real hybrid and that you can consider for home console also.

There is no such thing as a hybrid of portable and console. If a device is portable, then it is not a home console. 

Switch's hardware is mobile. Its form factor is mobile. The dock and the detachable controllers are just additional features, no different from PSP's ability to be connected to a TV, or Vita's ability to stream PS4 games wirelessly.

But there is, Switch is hybrid, hardware, OS, controllers, games, features...all are made in order that Switch can be used like real home console and real handheld. Of Course that hybrid of home console and handheld needs to be portable also in order to be used like handheld also, you can't have hybrid of home console and hybrid if you can't use device like handheld offcourse. Switch in hands is portable device, Switch in dock with separate controller in your hands makes Switch home device, so there you have form factor of handheld and home console.

If CPU or GPU are mobile doesnt mattar at all (XB1/PS4 CPU is notebook CPU, so that makes it mobile CPU also), form factor is bouth portable and home. Dock and detachable controllers are not additional features, they are core and essential features of Switch for using like real home console of course, same like using Switch like handheld on go.

Again you constantly ignoring clear facts, Switch can be ue used like real home console with all features of home console, basically Switch has all features like of home console, and of handheld, thats why its a hybrid.

At end, you can keep deny all arguments and facts and you consider Switch just for version of PSP, but reality is totally different.



0D0 on 21 November 2016
Miyamotoo said:
0D0 said:

Considering it as a handheld, $250 is expensive.

Its home console also not just handheld that will be bought buy handheld and home console users. 3DS is just a handheld and New 3DS XL is currently $200 and actually still selling good, so $250 for Switch definitely isn't expensive it's actually pretty good price.

 

Barkley said:
SpokenTruth said:

You'd have a case if it were just a dedicated handheld.

Yeah I agree it doesn't apply to the Switch, however the guy you responded to said "Considering it as a handheld" for some reason.

I was replying to the guy who was talking about the handheld downsides of Switch. To those I add the price that I believe is expensive if a consumer considers it as a handheld (just a handheld that plays on TV too).



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0D0 on 21 November 2016
curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Relly, and how much of them have picture on half of console!? And point with Order 1886 is cinema screen ratio, also games with cinema screen ratio are very rare. It has matter because separate control was always feature of home console, controler thats conected to console that plays games on TV, PSP itself cannot be separate controller because it's device that plays games, seperate controller means separate controller from console note device itself, that's why it calls seperate. Local multiplayers is still very important for games like NBA, Fifa, PES, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter...plenty of Nintendo 2D...and really doesn't matter how much that's relevant, point is thats feature of home console not of handheld. Really, you could play local multiplayer with one GameBoy out of box, I didn't know that..

Your arguments are very weak or doesn't make any sense, Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, its built from ground and with main purpose that can act like real home console and like real handheld out of box, OS is built with that purpose, hardware is built with that purpose, controls are are build with those purpose, games are built with those purpose, hybrid, (so it not just handheld that has just option to have just picture on TV like PSP) that's why home console users and handheld users will buy it, you cant say that for PSP.

Try firing up an NES or SNES on a modern TV, in most cases it will not be full screen. And there's no meaningful difference between a separate controller and the PSP being the controller, you're still looking at the TV with a controller in your hands. The majority of modern console games do not support local multiplayer, while portable games dating as far back as 1989 do.

Switch is a portable. It is mobile Tegra hardware in a portable form factor. It simply has a dock instead of a cable for connecting to the TV/charging. It's just the next gen evolution of devices like Vita and PSP.

 

curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Did you actually read I wrote in last post!? If you didnt then read now:

"Relly, and how much of them have picture on half of console!? PSP had half of picture even on old TVs not modern. And point with Order 1886 is cinema screen ratio, also games with cinema screen ratio are very rare. It has matter because separate control was always feature of home console, controller that's connected to console that plays games on TV, PSP itself cannot be separate controller because it's device that plays games, seperate controller means separate controller from console note device itself, that's why it calls separate. Local multiplayers is still very important for games like NBA, Fifa, PES, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter...plenty of Nintendo 2D...and really doesn't matter how much that's relevant, point is thats feature of home console not of handheld. Really, you could play local multiplayer with one GameBoy out of box, I didn't know that.."

Because it has mobile Tegra hardware its portable!? :D    When you have Switch in dock and you have separate controller in your hand, Switch has home console form factor not portable. Whole point of Switch is to "switch" between home console mode and handheld mode, it's a hybrid.

Again, Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, its built from ground and with main purpose that can act like real home console and like real handheld out of box, OS is built with that purpose, hardware is built with that purpose, controls are are build with those purpose, games are built with those purpose, hybrid, (so it not just handheld that has just option to have just picture on TV like PSP) that's why home console users and handheld users will buy it, you cant say that for PSP and Vita, they were never considered for hybrids or home consoles while its very obvous that Switch is real hybrid and that you can consider for home console also.

There is no such thing as a hybrid of portable and console. If a device is portable, then it is not a home console. 

Switch's hardware is mobile. Its form factor is mobile. The dock and the detachable controllers are just additional features, no different from PSP's ability to be connected to a TV, or Vita's ability to stream PS4 games wirelessly.

 

It's a tablet with a very smart plug and play connection to TV and detachable controllers in box. But yes, it's still a nvidia tegra tablet with Nintendo pedigree.



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My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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Miyamotoo on 21 November 2016
0D0 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Its home console also not just handheld that will be bought buy handheld and home console users. 3DS is just a handheld and New 3DS XL is currently $200 and actually still selling good, so $250 for Switch definitely isn't expensive it's actually pretty good price.

 

Barkley said:

Yeah I agree it doesn't apply to the Switch, however the guy you responded to said "Considering it as a handheld" for some reason.

I was replying to the guy who was talking about the handheld downsides of Switch. To those I add the price that I believe is expensive if a consumer considers it as a handheld (just a handheld that plays on TV too).

Again it's not expensive because it's basically real home console in same time not just handheld, for just $50 higher price than New 3DS XL for instance. If relly Switch relly has $250 price point, that means it will sell very good beacuse that definitely isn't expensive for console that can be used like real home console and like real handheld.