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S.T.A.G.E. on 06 November 2016
malistix1985 said:
I played both, Liked both but I don have an honest comparison.
Liked Tomb Raider way more because I played it on PC and it was in much better settings. Proberbly on the PS4pro it will be a simulair experience as on my PC.

Anyway, I liked the story and emotion more in UC4 but I felt like the game was a bit too slow.
On Rise of the Tomb Raider I liked the pace and more open world/side quest feel more

In the end I really disliked some of the sections from UC4 (dislike it a harsh word for sutch a great game) but I never felt a single moment of "lets skip to the good part" on ROTT but like I said I played it on my pc from 2013 which is a significantly faster experience then my ps4 (no offense) in loading times and graphics/framerate

The story affected the pace of Uncharted. They had to make Drake older and slow down the pace to make it believable that his time as a treasure hunter was coming to an end. Uncharted 2 is more comparable with Tomb Raider 2 in that way since I felt ROTR was trying to emulate that games pace and gameplay with a little extra on the side. Tomn Raider is never going to end because Sony and Naughty Dog feels safe with the quality of development to let it go. Once Crystal Dynamics used the Uncharted formula to reboot Tomb Raider its obvius that that franchise will have far more iterations than even Uncharted. Its going to get milked.Somethings are necessary. Its about closure if youve played the whole franchise. Good post though. Just had to give a my two cents.



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KLAMarine on 06 November 2016
d21lewis said:
KLAMarine said:

Worth a view for those who care:

Spoiler: he considers RotTR to be better as whispered at the end of the U4 gameplay critique video

I want to watch but the time commitment required is intimidating

I love watching YouTube videos over dinner or when I'm working out or during a break at work.

YouTuber puts considerable work into his vids and it shows: he doesn't just assert his opinions but actually backs them up. Very much worth the watch.



walsufnir on 06 November 2016

Let's face it: Lara got a limited exclusivity deal which set off a lot of the vocal majority, Sony fans. I still remember all the embarrassing threads and posts around that situation.
Add to that that uncharted is an exclusive and given that fact, there is a certain additional hype around that. Remember the desperate attempts to generate hype for the Order and how the situation was close before launch when it was clear how bad that game was? I remember several bans on this site alone.
Nobody would've given a flying fuck if the game would've been a third party game.
And add to that that uncharted is more or less the “chosen one“, the mascot Sony never had, set to outdo its biggest competitor, halo, and it seems they managed to achieve that.



KLAMarine on 06 November 2016
walsufnir said:
And add to that that uncharted is more or less the “chosen one“, the mascot Sony never had, set to outdo its biggest competitor, halo, and it seems they managed to achieve that.

Call of Duty



Fei-Hung on 06 November 2016
S.T.A.G.E. said:
foodfather said:
ROTR all the way.

Uncharted 4 felt like a sit com. A really well acted sitcom yet slightly melodramatic too.

ROTR has far better gameplay and that's what matters to me.

Given the circumstances, drakes survival was more realistic in Uncharted than Tomb Raider ROTR is. The revised franchise is basically rambo. There was no point in her going to see a psychologist if she doesnt want to get better from her PTSD.

 

New lara comes off as an attention seeker. she only went to the psychologist so she can use it as an excuse to get more attention. it will add to her oh no, I'm hurt again, I've slipped again, I've fallen again, why does everything try to kill me lines and mumblings.



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d21lewis on 06 November 2016
S.T.A.G.E. said:
d21lewis said:

Am I the only one who kinda thinks Nathan Drake is a shitty human being? He made Elena cry!!

His humanity creates conflict. Everyone has their vices and his is searching for treasure and losts lands. Elena wants to grow old together with him and he finds it hard to hang up his hat. Tomb Raider does not even have that much depth. Not to say that is depth at all...but it shows character development as one can in a game. His ultimate decision in the end paved the way for the true end of the game. 

So yeah. He's a shitty person. Thanks for explaining it to me!

 

No need to go into depth about it. It's obviously a decision made in Naughty Dog's part. That's just how the character is written. Nothing wrong with that. Han Solo was often a shitty person, too. Doesn't mean I dislike his character.



Fei-Hung on 06 November 2016
S.T.A.G.E. said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Because of bias.

Tomb Raider fans will say its better than UC(like me)

UC fans will say its better than Tomb Raider

its just bias

Both games are extremely similar gameplay wise but uncharted puts you at a disadvantage since the AI is smarter in that game. Not only that they swarm you on the hardest difficulties. On Tomb Raider, I merced everyone like rambo without fail. It wasnt a challenge.. To me, Uncharted would make more sense as a movie and would have the characters and script that could more easily be put over to an audience. With that said, with Uncharted gone, I Tomb Raider makes a great supplement until Naughty Dog drops Last of Us 2. Writers and artists have been used by other studios and increased the quality of their studios post Sony. That says a lot. Crystal Dynamics learned a lot from them, but I dont believe they have the magic of what makes Naughty Dogs games so great. For instance, if Ellie grew up, I believe shed have a number of qualitiies as a female protagonist that lara just fails to even achieve as a character. I like the new Lara better than the old one, but I still have yet to figure her out as a character. Her motivations and true goals. With Nathan Drake we knew that from square one.

Its curious though....what is it about Tomb Raiders gameplay that grabs you more than uncharted.

Ithink you've answered your own question. people might prefer it because it makes them feel like Rambo and the game becomes a walk in the park. 

 

I remember in the very first uncharted, the section where you have stone ruins and enemies coming from the opposite side and from the top of a walk way, I tried using a traditional tactic. stay behind cover and shoot. it didn't work as they start flanking you and push you from cover to cover. they even use grenades to flush you out before mowing you down. the TRR on the hand had very simple A.I. I didn't dislike it, but at no point did I feel threatened or challenged. however, I feel the challenging A.I adds to character, personality of Nathan as well as the story. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 06 November 2016
Fei-Hung said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Both games are extremely similar gameplay wise but uncharted puts you at a disadvantage since the AI is smarter in that game. Not only that they swarm you on the hardest difficulties. On Tomb Raider, I merced everyone like rambo without fail. It wasnt a challenge.. To me, Uncharted would make more sense as a movie and would have the characters and script that could more easily be put over to an audience. With that said, with Uncharted gone, I Tomb Raider makes a great supplement until Naughty Dog drops Last of Us 2. Writers and artists have been used by other studios and increased the quality of their studios post Sony. That says a lot. Crystal Dynamics learned a lot from them, but I dont believe they have the magic of what makes Naughty Dogs games so great. For instance, if Ellie grew up, I believe shed have a number of qualitiies as a female protagonist that lara just fails to even achieve as a character. I like the new Lara better than the old one, but I still have yet to figure her out as a character. Her motivations and true goals. With Nathan Drake we knew that from square one.

Its curious though....what is it about Tomb Raiders gameplay that grabs you more than uncharted.

Ithink you've answered your own question. people might prefer it because it makes them feel like Rambo and the game becomes a walk in the park. 

 

I remember in the very first uncharted, the section where you have stone ruins and enemies coming from the opposite side and from the top of a walk way, I tried using a traditional tactic. stay behind cover and shoot. it didn't work as they start flanking you and push you from cover to cover. they even use grenades to flush you out before mowing you down. the TRR on the hand had very simple A.I. I didn't dislike it, but at no point did I feel threatened or challenged. however, I feel the challenging A.I adds to character, personality of Nathan as well as the story. 

Exactly. There were parts in even Uncharted 1 on crushing where I had to run for my life until I could find an open shot. Naughty Dogs AI is unmatched in the third person genre.



Fei-Hung on 06 November 2016
walsufnir said:
Let's face it: Lara got a limited exclusivity deal which set off a lot of the vocal majority, Sony fans. I still remember all the embarrassing threads and posts around that situation.
Add to that that uncharted is an exclusive and given that fact, there is a certain additional hype around that. Remember the desperate attempts to generate hype for the Order and how the situation was close before launch when it was clear how bad that game was? I remember several bans on this site alone.
Nobody would've given a flying fuck if the game would've been a third party game.
And add to that that uncharted is more or less the “chosen one“, the mascot Sony never had, set to outdo its biggest competitor, halo, and it seems they managed to achieve that.

Sony has always had mascots. crash, spyro, Jak & Daxter, Sackboy, Jin Kazama, Kratos, Dante.... they just never stick to one franchise and keep moving on. 

 

The Order was was... Let's just say many people looked at it with fanboy goggles. I know I did, and I regret my launch day purchase. however, Uncharted can't be compared to The Order. the two games are totally different in quantity and Quality. your very argument shows that MS fanboys prefer TR since they don't have Uncharted and since this is the closest in having their own treasure hunter / Nathan Drake killer, some people might generate threads and hype the game up. 

 

The argument is also unfair to both games as it suggests the games themselves aren't any good as it's their exclusiveness, availability to a competitor that makes them great not the game itself. 



d21lewis on 06 November 2016
walsufnir said:
Let's face it: Lara got a limited exclusivity deal which set off a lot of the vocal majority, Sony fans. I still remember all the embarrassing threads and posts around that situation.
Add to that that uncharted is an exclusive and given that fact, there is a certain additional hype around that. Remember the desperate attempts to generate hype for the Order and how the situation was close before launch when it was clear how bad that game was? I remember several bans on this site alone.
Nobody would've given a flying fuck if the game would've been a third party game.
And add to that that uncharted is more or less the “chosen one“, the mascot Sony never had, set to outdo its biggest competitor, halo, and it seems they managed to achieve that.

And what of people who like Tomb Raider 2013? I mean, I loved that game so much, it made me but a PS4 the day it released. Maybe people just like what they like or prefer what they prefer and (hopefully) any console war bs is just relegated to a minority of people.

 

Btw, The Order isn't even really bad in my opinion. It just had a lot of high expectations, being on of the most anticipated "real" 8th gen games.