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DonFerrari on 24 October 2016
bluedawgs said:
the microsoft fans on this site are shills man, look at them in this thread. microsoft says scorpio is only true 4k console, whatever that means, people point out that pro has real 4k games and all the xbox fans got is "lol you salty." terrible fanbase

The MS fans that said this are mostly people I can't remember ever talking in the forums so I wouldn't give them much light.

Normchacho said:
Aren't they not going to make developers have their games run at 4K? So won't they also have games that aren't 4K?

Microsoft is so weird with their marketing. There's just a lot of contortion going on for them to get statements like that to sound a certain way without being flat out lying.

Well in this case they are flat out lying.

Zekkyou said:
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
It's a true statement, the ps4 pro can only do a checkerboard solution to come close to 4k gaming. SO not a single game on ps4 pro will be a natively 4k experience, which is true. BECAUSE it's simply not powerful enough to render it.
Scorpio will beable to do true 4k gaming if they do indeed have the specs they are touting if not slightly more when e3 2017 happens.

Except that's not true at all. The Scorpio will almost certainly hit a native 4k much more often than the Pro (similar to the PS4 with 1080p), but the Pro can (and reportedly already has) hit that mark. Unless every X1 title runs at a native 4k, in which case they can argue a roundabout definition, what they're saying is wrong.

They'd have been much better off saying something like "the most capable 4k system ever".

Hey Zekkyou, MS spokewoman already said they won't demand that all 3rd party games be native 4k on Scorpio, just that all 1st party games will render natively 4k on the timeframe (could even mean on PC and not Scorpio) and certainly 4 years after release there will be a lot of games that would be too demanding for 4k on Scorpio.

Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

Well, when Phill said their console (Scorpio) would be better prepared and would have less compromisse to deliver 4K that were no issue at all, because the power difference would grant that. But when they are lying about PS4Pro not having any native 4k them it's not the same (and now with 4k you will be able to play halo 4 times better than on X1, everybody will do HS =])

Its fair to argue MS's word choice is bad given PS4 Pro will have some 4K content.

I'm not sure what's worse. MS's bad word choice, or the 4K push on a platform that struggles with 4K.

Yep... MS bad choice affects nothing in the end but if Sony pushes 4K the wrong way it can certainly have a worse effect... but I like their approach for checkerboard, where they go for 1080p or 1440p when possible and for very little effort on devs and system it upscale for 4k, it probably won't have a bad effect on the games.



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Viktor on 24 October 2016

Not surprising, while Scorpio is powerful enough, PS4pro is underpowered in comparison. There is something like 2Teraflops of difference in performance, that´s quite a lot



Mr Puggsly on 24 October 2016
DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Its fair to argue MS's word choice is bad given PS4 Pro will have some 4K content.

I'm not sure what's worse. MS's bad word choice, or the 4K push on a platform that struggles with 4K.

Yep... MS bad choice affects nothing in the end but if Sony pushes 4K the wrong way it can certainly have a worse effect... but I like their approach for checkerboard, where they go for 1080p or 1440p when possible and for very little effort on devs and system it upscale for 4k, it probably won't have a bad effect on the games.

This checkerboard thing doesn't sound much different than the temporal effects currently implemented in games.

Frankly, I like it. You get a better presentation with less resources. Titanfall 2 on X1 look very polished even at 720p thanks to these kind of effects.



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numberwang on 24 October 2016

Developers do have some freedom on the Scorpio according to Spencer, so they might include a checkerboard 4K 60 fps instead of real 4K 30fps.



DonFerrari on 24 October 2016
Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep... MS bad choice affects nothing in the end but if Sony pushes 4K the wrong way it can certainly have a worse effect... but I like their approach for checkerboard, where they go for 1080p or 1440p when possible and for very little effort on devs and system it upscale for 4k, it probably won't have a bad effect on the games.

This checkerboard thing doesn't sound much different than the temporal effects currently implemented in games.

Frankly, I like it. You get a better presentation with less resources. Titanfall 2 on X1 look very polished even at 720p thanks to these kind of effects.

Yes... I'm a graphic whore as much as possible and if they can deliver that with less investiment and not lose much space for the much more powerfull Scorpio that is a smart solution. And the temporal effects were a good idea as well (it even took DF a time to notice the difference between it and 1080p60fps). Perhaps with checkerboard and temporal effects we could gradually go to a situation that 4k60fps outuput (1080-1440p/30fps internally) feasible and not bleeding our eyes, that certainly would be usefull and applied similar techniques for Scorpio would enable IQ of very high quality.



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Rafie on 24 October 2016

I bet Crackdown 3 will look gorgeous when Scorpio drops. I'm super excited to see how the extra power the Scorpio will be utilized here.

However, I'm really confused on how teraflops is used here when comparing the Pro and Scorpio. I don't know diddly about computers at all.



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jason1637 on 24 October 2016

Can't wait to see what Scorpio can do.



ArchangelMadzz on 24 October 2016
ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
It's a true statement, the ps4 pro can only do a checkerboard solution to come close to 4k gaming. SO not a single game on ps4 pro will be a natively 4k experience, which is true. BECAUSE it's simply not powerful enough to render it.
Scorpio will beable to do true 4k gaming if they do indeed have the specs they are touting if not slightly more when e3 2017 happens.

There actually are a couple of games on PS4Pro that are Native 4k. 



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LivingMetal on 24 October 2016
hershel_layton said:
"For the simple, affordable price of $599"

Let's not go there. 



ManUtdFan on 24 October 2016
Ganoncrotch said:

I'll be honest though I'm with Mummelman on this, I'd much rather them pump that extra juice into a rock solid 1080p/60fps experience with really nice looking settings applied, sort of like the extra detail they pumped onto horizon using the pro power boost, I'd happily take nicer looking 1080p than barely scraping by to 4k just for the sake of pleasing digital foundry if I'm honest.

Frame rate > resolution > everything else (esp. pointless effects the master race wank over)