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lmao don't post here very often but I know I remember Op sayin NX was dead or would flop prior to its announcement..you guys really expected him to not find stuff to complain about regarding Nintendo?..Fake caring at its finest



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@GhaudePhaede010. Dont be so salty friend. The point the OP made is a valid one. Yes, there will be a lot of Nintendo gamers that will want full game experiences on the go. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire 3DS installed base upgrades to the Switch. But Nintendo is going after the massive number of casual mobile gamers with the Switch, its obvious. Many of them don't want full console games on the go. I personaly will get the Switch day one and will love it to death. The mass market casuals Nintendo are hoping to convert from smart devices won't want what the system offers. Reply didn't work for some reason.



   

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SonytendoAmiibo said:
Dont be so salty friend. The point the OP made is a valid one. Yes, there will be a lot of Nintendo gamers that will want full game experiences on the go. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire 3DS installed base upgrades to the Switch. But Nintendo is going after the massive number of casual mobile gamers with the Switch, its obvious. Many of them don't want full console games on the go. I personaly will get the Switch day one and will love it to death. The mass market casuals Nintendo are hoping to convert from smart devices won't want what the system offers.

I think Switch has to offer the higher end experiences, because if it jut offers "bite size" games, then why would you just not use your tablet or phone which most people already have?

Besides the 3DS is basically a console. There's nothing hugely different other than graphics about Smash Brothers or Mario Kart or Mario 3D Land or NSMB or DKC on the 3DS as there is Wii U. And now you're getting Mario Maker and Yoshi's Wooly World, etc. 

The whole "Nintendo portables must have totally different style of games from the console" went out the window a long time ago (probably about mid way through the DS era). 

It's not like the days of GB or GBA where it was basically impossible to run something like Mario 64 or Zelda: OoT. 



DonFerrari said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Are you serious? Games like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, any jrpg, Super Smash Bros., Kid Icarus, Street Fighter, and countless other 3DS titles completely spoil your, "point" here.

People do like home console experiences on the go. Your mindset is primitive. There was a time when people said home consoles should not mirror the big brother arcade experiences because nobody would want that. Looking back, home consoles mimicking arcades was the natural evolution and now hand held mimicking home console experiences should be seen as the next natural evolutionary step.

The fact that hand held/mobile gaming can do companion softwareis a great bonus but there are people that want the same home experiences when they are on the go. The PSP and PSVita sold on the premise of being closer to home console experiences and even though PSVita was not a success, there is obviously a market (a good sized one at that) for home console titles on the go.

10M vs 60M is the good market for console on the go?

I have no idea what that means



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
DonFerrari said:

10M vs 60M is the good market for console on the go?

I have no idea what that means

PSVita is the HH for playing console games on the go... and you said that even though it's sales weren't big it would be a very big market to go after... and I compared it to 3DS, to show that the market to go after isn't the one PSVita tried to get.



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bananaking21 said:

The Dust is starting to settle of the Nintendo Switch announcement. And its pretty clear Nintendo hasnt learnt much after the horrendous WiiU Reveal.

 

- The Trailer certainly gives a better idea about what the NX is, much more than the WiiU trailer did. The trailer gives the impression that the NS is a Hybrid system. however, nintendo did say that the docking station only serves to connect the NS to the TV, as well as provide power. basically, the Dock is pretty much a glorified charging station that has an HDMI, Thus resulting it in technicially being a portable. you wouldnt call a PSP a "Hybrid" because you can connect it to a TV with a cable, right? However, one of the issues arises when Nintendo is calling the NS a "home gaming system". even though it technicially isnt.

 

- The first point isnt that bad, its not a huge problem sure. it doesnt really matter what the NS technicially is considered if the consumers like it. but it does show that Nintendo still has a communiction problem, and that these 3 minute trailers are no where near enough to illustrate what their consoles are and what they have to offer. 


- Nintendo then goes on to say that no new information will be given out until next year. Leaving a plethora amount of crucial questions unanswered. which is simply baffling. so many crucial questions go unanswered. for a system that is just 5 months away from launch, the number of question marks circling around the reveal is outstanding.

Taking a look at PS4 reveal, the shortcomings are astronomical in comparison. First and foremost, Sony took the time to explain their vision for their new console, where they believe the market place is heading, where they would like to take it. they explained what type of gamers the PS4 would appeal to. they explained the PS4's specs, what its capable of and what we can expect, they talked about networking features,  they showed their support for devs, both tripple A and indie, and what comes in between. And most importantly they announced games, and many of them.  Nintendo didnt bother to do any of these things. 

 

- This takes us to another point, The Games. What types of games are we expected to play on the NS? how can nintendo reveal a new console, without revealing any games for it? and a massive miscommunication blunder accures here. Skyrim and NBA for both shown for the NS, yet it turns out, both games arent even confirmed for the console. how can this be? How can Nintendo show off this console with games that arent even confirmed for the system yet? chances are they are coming to the system, yes. but the fact that nobody can be certain is just mind boggling, and shows a huge in inefficiency at communicating what this system has to offer. whats even more confusing is that they showed off first party games, that arent even confirmed. are mario kart, splatoon and 3D mario new games? are they ports? are they even coming to the system? How can nintendo not have these questions answered?

 

- With the NS, Nintendo seems to have made a similar issue they did with the WiiU. They are making a system that is trying to appeal to everybody, which in return will appeal to nobody. well obviously not nobody nobody, but you get my point. As Nintendo said, NS is supposed to be their next "Home System". But by making it a hybrid, they have lost a crucial aspect that other home systems have. the fact that its a dedicated home system. adding portability to it means that is will be weaker, it will be less capable, and it will be more expensive than it should be, in exchange for offering a feature that dedicated console gamers dont want or really need. does that ring a bell? if not, ill spill it out for you. its one of the main issues the WiiU had. 


And the same logic goes for the portable gaming consumer. The system is more expenisve, has less portability, and will have a weaker battery life. and whats baffling here is not did Nintendo not learn from their mistakes, they also didnt learn from Sony's with the Vita. consumers dont really want AAA and home console gaming experiences on the go. 


My rant can go on for even longer than it already is. but to try and cut it a bit, lets see how many unanswered questions there are about the NS. How powerfull is the NS? what games are on it? What games can we expect at launch? whats the price? how much storage does it have? does it support HDR? what kind of network features does it have? does it have virtual console support? does it have apps like netflix and youtube? is the screen a touch screen? how long is the batter life? how big is the screen? Does it support external hard drives? what type of screen does it have? 

 

As it stands now, Nintendo is just selling us the concept, not the product itself. and considering that the NS is releasing in roughly 5 months, that is concerning to say the least. And Nintendos refusal to even talk about their console is not only puzzling, but out right stupid. Nintendo seems to be a company that refuses to learn from its mistakes, and the mistakes done by others. 

Agreed.

It's a nice video though, well done, but as a console revel, it lacks a lot of info. So far, NS doesn't look that good as home console. If they gonna keep it as Wii U successor and keep 3DS, I don't see NS succeding.

If it's both Wii U and 3DS successor, I still see it as a tablet that let's you play on TV. Nothing really revolutionary.

However, as a handheld, it should be cheap and as a home console, it should be much more powerful than Wii U. 

 



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SonytendoAmiibo said:
@GhaudePhaede010. Dont be so salty friend. The point the OP made is a valid one. Yes, there will be a lot of Nintendo gamers that will want full game experiences on the go. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire 3DS installed base upgrades to the Switch. But Nintendo is going after the massive number of casual mobile gamers with the Switch, its obvious. Many of them don't want full console games on the go. I personaly will get the Switch day one and will love it to death. The mass market casuals Nintendo are hoping to convert from smart devices won't want what the system offers. Reply didn't work for some reason.

I'm not arguing the topic creator at all. I quoted someone and replied.

Nintendo gamers are not the only gamers that want those experiences. PSVita and even PS4 fans are still complaining that Monster Hunter gets released on 3DS because it should be a home console game. Some even get a 3DS just to play the games which means that not only is there a market, Nintendo is helping it grow (with Capcom and others, of course). And majority of the people with 3DS own a home console other than Wii U which hardly makes them Nintendo fans. You did not even attempt to dispute what I said, you just said random unrelated stuff.

60 million gamers is what you suggest will jump to Switch... the 3DS user base... and you are saying what about Nintendo exactly? There is obviously a big market for console games on the go as sales and popularity would suggest. Vita and 3DS offer these experiences and at 20-30 dollars cheaper than home consoles. Do you even know what you are talking about?

 

Now, on to the OP. Unfortunately, you nor I are an authority on this topic. If you want your point to have merit, you will have to get people that are not like us (uninformed gamers) to watch the video and give you feedback.



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DonFerrari said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

I have no idea what that means

PSVita is the HH for playing console games on the go... and you said that even though it's sales weren't big it would be a very big market to go after... and I compared it to 3DS, to show that the market to go after isn't the one PSVita tried to get.

No the Vita is not, clearly, 3DS has a lot of console quality titles and people are buying it up. And with Pokemon and Monster Hunter seeing massive success, there is obviously a market for console quality titles on the go. Especially since they are cheaper than home console games (not to mention not nearly as limiting).



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
DonFerrari said:

PSVita is the HH for playing console games on the go... and you said that even though it's sales weren't big it would be a very big market to go after... and I compared it to 3DS, to show that the market to go after isn't the one PSVita tried to get.

No the Vita is not, clearly, 3DS has a lot of console quality titles and people are buying it up.

Nope. The Vita offers PS4 titles on the go with a similar and sometimes even identical experience. The 3DS offers handheld games or (rarely) handheld versions of home consoles games with heavily reduced graphics and adapted gameplay. No, you don't play home console games on your 3DS, really far from it. It's never been the point of this console and it will never be.

If you call Pokemon and Monster Hunter 3DS "home console games", I don't know what is the generation of the home console you're talking about... They are handheld games and not the kind of games the Switch is supposed to offer.



Faelco said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

No the Vita is not, clearly, 3DS has a lot of console quality titles and people are buying it up.

Nope. The Vita offers PS4 titles on the go with a similar and sometimes even identical experience. The 3DS offers handheld games or (rarely) handheld versions of home consoles games with heavily reduced graphics and adapted gameplay. No, you don't play home console games on your 3DS, really far from it. It's never been the point of this console and it will never be.

If you call Pokemon and Monster Hunter 3DS "home console games", I don't know what is the generation of the home console you're talking about...

I am not going to argue your first point becuase I have nothing nice to say to you after reading that.

But I will argue the last point. Lets say you live in a world where Monster Hunter is not a home console quality title. Lets say that is true. I have a better example: SMASH BROS.

Tell me, which console did Smash bros sell best on: 3DS or Wii U?

Oh and you could argue that there are more 3DS than Wii U consoles out there but I will just argue that if people did not want home console quality titles on the go, they wouldn't buy the game. Now, you're done.



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