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mountaindewslave said:
Libara said:
Different markets, Nintendo won't be competing for HD gaming, best graphics etc. They haven't for a long time as they understand they have games that everybody loves, Mario, Zelda etc. This will sell a lot, maybe not as much as people are hoping but it will definitely help them get back into the market.
Why would they want to release their games on MS or Sony platforms when they know they can sell enough on their own for profit. This in a way makes me prefer Nintendo to others as it ensures they make good games, not rushed for profit or put out half assed games as they know it will sell.
They have IPs that will sell their hardware without needing 10 TFlops to boast about.

this really though in a nutshell ^^^^

even if somehow Nintendo was aiming for a different audience than Sony/Micro (they're not, but whatever) how do you seriously think logically releasing their games on other VIDEO GAME system would help? People want to game and if they potentially could get some of Nintendo's best offerings elsewhere those are customers the big N would potentially lose on their own hardware.

it just doesn't make sense. Nintendo's draw are their IPs...  why would they cut a deal involving that. Now a better theory would be at some point that they might possibly do a collaboration system with another big developer. I could see Sony and Nintendo working on a project together. But cutting off part of their library and drawing away people from their own hardware? just bizarre

the market is not big enough for the big N to be aiming for a different type of gamer like you suggest. The same type of person who wants to play Dark Souls on the PS4 may easilyyyy want to play Zelda on the Switch

Tough to say. Lets say Nintendo gives one of Sony or MS, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Remake with high end graphics in 4K. 

That could introduce a new generation of teenagers to the franchise or reintroduce people in their 20s/30s to the Zelda IP, and then you hey whataya know there's a brand new Zelda only on the Switch platform, and MS is also putting Halo on Switch too as part of a deal.  

Now maybe a person who wouldn't really be into the Switch gets one, it's not as if the ol' Playstation 5 or XBox Scorpio is going to fit into the back pack for plane rides either, so it's different enough hardware wise to have value if the player likes the software. 

We're just too used to old paradigms of Sony and MS being "enemies", but if you're not even really fighting for the same audience anymore, how are you "enemies"? Nintendo likely could score one whopper of a deal too, I bet MS would open up the cheque book and offer a huge pay day for a deal with Nintendo on top of marketing support as well. 



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Soundwave said:
mountaindewslave said:

tons of people were talking about both and random online sources mentioned both of those possibilities before you. Stop giving yourself too much credit. Your predictions about Nintendo 'making a deal' with Sony/Micro are just absolutely absurd and reflect nothing of the Nintendo anyones knows

Not to mention desperate companies make deals like that. Not ones that are doing reasonably well. You don't make hardware deals with other companies when you have exclusive IPs that you can use to your advantage when at the same time you're capable of producing your own hardware

if we were talking about a company in debt this would be a different story 

It's not a desperate move. 

Nintendo would be gaining a lot, MS and/or Sony would have to agree to make games for Nintendo too.

It's simply the same reasoning that putting Nintendo IP on iOS/Android have. 

Nintendo I think is going to transition more towards being an entertainment conglomerate, you can already see it with movie deals coming, Mario at the Olympic games representing Japan as a host nation ... Switch and what the Playstation/XBox are becoming are far removed enough, no matter what you want to call them, that they're really not competitors. 

I mean if PS5 launches in 2019 say, that'll be like two generations removed from the Switch and a completely different type of product, this is not the 1990s or 2000s anymore. 

ask yourself logically first A) would that truly benefit Nintendo? (their IPs are their power) and B) would that truly benefit Sony / Micro?

if everybody abandons their exclusives then you're headed to a one world gaming system environment (probably PC with seamless wireless connection to televisions).

Nintendo is first and foremost a video game company. if the Switch does remotely well (which it probably will, again Nintendo's home console market + handheld market) they are not going to be thinking about even the remote possibility of sharing Mario/Zelda.

Bear in mind one of the biggest selling points of the Switch on release appears like it will be Mario and Zelda.

I think you're out of place with this. As I've already said, the video game market is only so big, Nintendo will always be competing for the same customers as Sony for example



Soundwave said:
RolStoppable said:

You made predictions for just about every imaginable scenario. It was an exercise of flinging stuff at the wall and seeing if something sticks, so for every time you can call yourself right, you were wrong on at least half a dozen of others. That's a terrible batting average and at times you changed your stance three times during the same week.

Was anyone else talking about a hybrid all-in-one console/portable or the Tegra chip, because I seem to recall taking a lot of flak and attitude from some posters for bringing up both for well over a year now, not just one off guesses. 

I seem to recall you even said the concept of the hybrid was impossible because it would be too similar to the Wii U, well lo and behold. Dual analogs (oh no casuals!) and all. 

Didn't you like change what the NX would be with every single rumor?

I remember you saying stuff about AMD and what not... Heck, I remember you talking about stuff every time a patent came out and relating it to the NX which we now know that the Switch doesn't actually have a lot of those things. Now I am not gonna go through everything that you said and post it but don't credit yourself too much. Once you post enough comments relating enough things to the NX, one of them is bound to be actually true...

Anyway, on to the topic

I don't think so cause exclusives are the reason to buy the respective consoles. Those console exclusive goes on other platforms, people have no reason to buy their console. I have yet to see a full fledged game on mobile. I doubt Mario run will even be that similar to the actual experience.



                  

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Hiku said:
mountaindewslave said:

the Switch is in fact a home console that CAN be used portably.

I'd say it's more like the other way around. Nintendo said the docking station's main task is to charge, and output visuals to the TV. There's seemingly no extra processing power provided by the docking station. If the docking station did provide extra power, I'd be inclined to agree. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

I was under the impression quite possibly the docking station does provide for a a stronger gaming performance? has it been officialy disclosed either way?



mountaindewslave said:
Soundwave said:

It's not a desperate move. 

Nintendo would be gaining a lot, MS and/or Sony would have to agree to make games for Nintendo too.

It's simply the same reasoning that putting Nintendo IP on iOS/Android have. 

Nintendo I think is going to transition more towards being an entertainment conglomerate, you can already see it with movie deals coming, Mario at the Olympic games representing Japan as a host nation ... Switch and what the Playstation/XBox are becoming are far removed enough, no matter what you want to call them, that they're really not competitors. 

I mean if PS5 launches in 2019 say, that'll be like two generations removed from the Switch and a completely different type of product, this is not the 1990s or 2000s anymore. 

ask yourself logically first A) would that truly benefit Nintendo? (their IPs are their power) and B) would that truly benefit Sony / Micro?

if everybody abandons their exclusives then you're headed to a one world gaming system environment (probably PC with seamless wireless connection to televisions).

Nintendo is first and foremost a video game company. if the Switch does remotely well (which it probably will, again Nintendo's home console market + handheld market) they are not going to be thinking about even the remote possibility of sharing Mario/Zelda.

Bear in mind one of the biggest selling points of the Switch on release appears like it will be Mario and Zelda.

I think you're out of place with this. As I've already said, the video game market is only so big, Nintendo will always be competing for the same customers as Sony for example

See my explaination above. I think it's well reasoned actually. 

I also think Nintendo is changing. They are going to become a media conglomerate soon with theme parks and movies. If those movies especially take off, Nintendo will be changed forever, believe that. They are not going to be the same insular little company. 

It would be a different story if Nintendo was directly competing with Sony/MS, but I just don't see that they are, they are effectively now basically a portable console company (NS is the high end, 3DS is the low end, iOS/Android is the micro end ... but there's no real attempt here at taking Sony/MS audience). Sony/MS are not making portable game machines. There just isn't an overlap (or much of one anymore), but there are still I'd bet a fair number of XBox/Playstation players who wouldn't mind a slice of Zelda or Mario now and again. 



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mountaindewslave said:
Hiku said:

I'd say it's more like the other way around. Nintendo said the docking station's main task is to charge, and output visuals to the TV. There's seemingly no extra processing power provided by the docking station. If the docking station did provide extra power, I'd be inclined to agree. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

I was under the impression quite possibly the docking station does provide for a a stronger gaming performance? has it been officialy disclosed either way?

Nintendo's own words. No power boost. Everything is in the tablet. The mobile handheld tablet.



Soundwave said:
mountaindewslave said:

this really though in a nutshell ^^^^

even if somehow Nintendo was aiming for a different audience than Sony/Micro (they're not, but whatever) how do you seriously think logically releasing their games on other VIDEO GAME system would help? People want to game and if they potentially could get some of Nintendo's best offerings elsewhere those are customers the big N would potentially lose on their own hardware.

it just doesn't make sense. Nintendo's draw are their IPs...  why would they cut a deal involving that. Now a better theory would be at some point that they might possibly do a collaboration system with another big developer. I could see Sony and Nintendo working on a project together. But cutting off part of their library and drawing away people from their own hardware? just bizarre

the market is not big enough for the big N to be aiming for a different type of gamer like you suggest. The same type of person who wants to play Dark Souls on the PS4 may easilyyyy want to play Zelda on the Switch

Tough to say. Lets say Nintendo gives one of Sony or MS, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Remake with high end graphics in 4K. 

That could introduce a new generation of teenagers to the franchise or reintroduce people in their 20s/30s to the Zelda IP, and then you hey whataya know there's a brand new Zelda only on the Switch platform, and MS is also putting Halo on Switch too as part of a deal.  

Now maybe a person who wouldn't really be into the Switch gets one, it's not as if the ol' Playstation 5 or XBox Scorpio is going to fit into the back pack for plane rides either, so it's different enough hardware wise to have value if the player likes the software. 

We're just too used to old paradigms of Sony and MS being "enemies", but if you're not even really fighting for the same audience anymore, how are you "enemies"? Nintendo likely could score one whopper of a deal too, I bet MS would open up the cheque book and offer a huge pay day for a deal with Nintendo on top of marketing support as well. 

you walk into any 'trendy' young peoples store, like a Hot Topic or whatever, and guess what you see? Nintendo crap everywhere. Pokemon , Zelda, Mario, Metroid.

Nintendo is extremely prevalent with young people. As soon as Nintendo starts selling out to giants like Microsoft would be the end of their success. Until you can actually name some big advantages of Nintendo cutting any deals I would scrap these predictions.

I don't honestly think that YOU think that the Switch isn't a competitor to Xone/PS4. there are literally 3 main home console developers on the market, that's too few for them not to be in direct contention automatically with one another.

there's an argument that the 3DS sales don't effect the Xone sales- sure- but to say the same about a hybrid system? no.



mountaindewslave said:
Soundwave said:

Tough to say. Lets say Nintendo gives one of Sony or MS, Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Remake with high end graphics in 4K. 

That could introduce a new generation of teenagers to the franchise or reintroduce people in their 20s/30s to the Zelda IP, and then you hey whataya know there's a brand new Zelda only on the Switch platform, and MS is also putting Halo on Switch too as part of a deal.  

Now maybe a person who wouldn't really be into the Switch gets one, it's not as if the ol' Playstation 5 or XBox Scorpio is going to fit into the back pack for plane rides either, so it's different enough hardware wise to have value if the player likes the software. 

We're just too used to old paradigms of Sony and MS being "enemies", but if you're not even really fighting for the same audience anymore, how are you "enemies"? Nintendo likely could score one whopper of a deal too, I bet MS would open up the cheque book and offer a huge pay day for a deal with Nintendo on top of marketing support as well. 

you walk into any 'trendy' young peoples store, like a Hot Topic or whatever, and guess what you see? Nintendo crap everywhere. Pokemon , Zelda, Mario, Metroid.

Nintendo is extremely prevalent with young people. As soon as Nintendo starts selling out to giants like Microsoft would be the end of their success. Until you can actually name some big advantages of Nintendo cutting any deals I would scrap these predictions.

I don't honestly think that YOU think that the Switch isn't a competitor to Xone/PS4. there are literally 3 main home console developers on the market, that's too few for them not to be in direct contention automatically with one another.

there's an argument that the 3DS sales don't effect the Xone sales- sure- but to say the same about a hybrid system? no.

Actually I think that is a fair arguement. I don't think Switch will have any bearing on the XBox Scorpio/PS5 whatsoever. 

Anymore than Playstation TV impacted Xbox One. Completely different products at different spectrums of the market.

I think there's plenty of PS/XB owners who COULD be persuaded to buy a Nintendo Switch as a complimentary device though. It's not as if you can throw your PS4/XB into your back pack and play it on a plane. So why not go after those people. 

Also is it "desperate" if MS or Sony support the Switch as well? It doesn't have to be a one-way street. I'm sure there are a lot of Nintendo fans that wouldn't mind a Minecraft x Nintendo game or a Halo or Uncharted game. Why not Sony or MS? It's not like you're making a portable console. 



mountaindewslave said:
bunchanumbers said:

Its a 720p tablet.

built to sit in a dock for home/charging use.

the primary function for this system is clearly at home with the added bonus of mobility. Its not rocket science

That's like saying a laptop is a desktop computer because it comes with a docking station.

"Just check out this macbook pro desktop PC"



Soundwave said:

Was anyone else talking about a hybrid all-in-one console/portable or the Tegra chip, because I seem to recall taking a lot of flak and attitude from some posters for bringing up both for well over a year now, not just one off guesses. 

I seem to recall you even said the concept of the hybrid was impossible because it would be too similar to the Wii U, well lo and behold. Dual analogs (oh no casuals!) and all. 

Whoopee you made an educated guess. Cookie?