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Miyamotoo said:

Power was matters back then too, and Wii much better sales instead PS3/Xbox360 because was way more mass appealing than PS3/Xbox360. And what about DS and 3DS/

Unfortunately most rumours point towards the NX not being Mass Appealing in the slightest.



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globalisateur said:
1 - Cartridges
2 - Under powered
3 - New gimmick

This is what will prevent third party ports on NX. Cartridges is the most limiting factor IMO.

Why exactly cartridges (they are basicly flash memory) are most limiting factor when actually they are superior in almost any possible way than BD discs!?



JRPGfan said:
twintail said:
How much hardware power does ps4 and x1 have over wiiu?

Wii U is 176 Gflops.

PS4 is 1840 Gflops (aka 1.84 Teraflops)

So theres about a 10 times differnce in flops.

If you take into account, the newer and more effecient design, its well over 10 times the power of a Wii U.

Flops arnt just flops.

Regardless of the WiiU's internal specifics (many of which we still aren't 100% certain about), the standard PS4 isn't 10+ times stronger. It doesn't even present that kind of jump over the PS3/360, and the WiiU has shown itself to be more capable than both (when its hardware is used properly, anyway).

Don't get me wrong, the WiiU is a very low-spec system, and even a system as described in the OT would fall short of the standard PS4, but the gap between the standard PS4 and WiiU is likely closer to 5 times than 10+.



Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

Power was matters back then too, and Wii much better sales instead PS3/Xbox360 because was way more mass appealing than PS3/Xbox360. And what about DS and 3DS/

Unfortunately most rumours point towards the NX not being Mass Appealing in the slightest.

Device that aiming at handheld users and home console in same time, with affordable price. They basicly amining for mobile users that want upgrade (there is huge gap on market betwin mobile gamers and PS4/XB1 gamers). That seems like mass appealing.



JRPGfan said:
twintail said:
How much hardware power does ps4 and x1 have over wiiu?

Wii U is 176 Gflops.

PS4 is 1840 Gflops (aka 1.84 Teraflops)

So theres about a 10 times differnce in flops.

If you take into account, the newer and more effecient design, its well over 10 times the power of a Wii U.

Flops arnt just flops.

I was under the impression Wii U was around 300Gflops



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JRPGfan said:
twintail said:
How much hardware power does ps4 and x1 have over wiiu?

Wii U is 176 Gflops.

PS4 is 1840 Gflops (aka 1.84 Teraflops)

So theres about a 10 times differnce in flops.

If you take into account, the newer and more effecient design, its well over 10 times the power of a Wii U.

Flops arnt just flops.

I was under the impression Wii U was around 300Gflops



Miyamotoo said:
bunchanumbers said:

Wii, DS, and 3DS are all different eras. Wii was during the SD TV era for crying out loud. Power matters now. Parents will just as easily hand their kids their cell phone than give shell out hundreds for this.

The only reason this should exist is if they are trying to sell NX for $99-149.

Power was matters back then, and people still bought Wii instead PS3/Xbox360 because is way more mass appealing. And what about DS and 3DS, DS was less powerful than PSP and 3DS is way less powerful than Vita and again destroying Vita and actually carries solid with smartphones.

Power is somewhat important only if basically you have same product like competition, like PS3/Xbox360 or PS4/XB1, they are identical products and that's why every difference is important for them, but if you have different product with different experience power isn't really so much matter, actualy power matters only to hard core gamers, and it seems that NX will again be difrent with with different experience and again aiming for mass market like Wii.

Hybrid console that is basically handheld and home console in one should have price point of $99-149!? Now you acting silly, just 3DS is curently around $150 and it still sells (if I am correct 3DS was best selling console in US in Avgust).

Come on. You know Wii sold because of the Blue Ocean strategy. It also sold because of its low price point and gimmick. Its what also crippled its future sales and its potential later in its life. Wii was a wasteland for its last 2 years. Wii U was a wasteland for its last 3 years.

Nintendo is gambling on a user base that doesn't game to buy their system. This means if their gimmick fails, we're looking at not only a weak console, we're looking at a weak console with another failed gimmick that will drive away core gamers even more than Wii U did. Instead of doing that, they should be focusing on gamers that they know buy games. Or at the very least, making their console strong enough that core gamers don't feel like they are getting ripped off by a Gen 9 console that is weaker than consoles that launched several years ago.

And the Hybrid is even worse than doing a console/handheld. You're putting all your eggs into one big potential basket of failure. At the very least if DS failed, they still had the GBA to fall back on. If GCN failed they still had GBA to fall back on. If Wii failed, they still had DS to fall back on. Proof of this way of surviving is shown this gen. Wii U was a failure, but they still had the 3DS to fall back on. What happens of NX fails? Game over.

The way it looks now, they got hardware that is several times weaker than current gen consoles. Not to mention even further behind than the hardware refreshes. This thing will most likely be more than 10 times weaker than Scorpio when it comes out 6 months after NX launches.

And what about the rumors of a 720p screen? Seriously? We're talking about 4K and HDR these days, and Nintendo is begrudgingly upgrading to a 720p screen.



I'm no tech expert..all I know is Zelda BoTW, Sonic 2017, and DQXI are among the few confirmed games for NX. At this point take those games for what you will. We'll see what Nintendo pulls out of their sleeve.



teigaga said:
JRPGfan said:

Wii U is 176 Gflops.

PS4 is 1840 Gflops (aka 1.84 Teraflops)

So theres about a 10 times differnce in flops.

If you take into account, the newer and more effecient design, its well over 10 times the power of a Wii U.

Flops arnt just flops.

I was under the impression Wii U was around 300Gflops

 

Wii U have 350 GFLOPS,  see a little more... 

If NX is 3 or 4 times more,  so that means it will be 1 TFLOPS to 1,4 TFLOPS...  Nearly xboxone,  but with rescent technologie (pascal) 



Miyamotoo said:
Barkley said:

Unfortunately most rumours point towards the NX not being Mass Appealing in the slightest.

Device that aiming at handheld users and home console in same time, with affordable price. That seems like mass appealing.

It's sure aiming at handheld and home console, but it doesn't sound appealing to either, let's look at the three seperate markets the device could appeal to.

Handheld Market - The rumoured 6.2 inch is far too large to appeal to a large chunk of this audience, and the removable controls if anything hinder this even further making the device seem clumsy and unrefined.

Tablet Market - Nintendo putting out the hardware that matters to the tablet crowd is HIGHLY unlikely. 720p is unacceptable in this market, Camera is important and will no doubt be horrendous on the NX. Access to Google Play or IOS Store is also a very big deal, the NX will have terrible app support in comparison to Android/IOS. Battery Life will most likely be much worse than any decent tablet as well.

Home Console Market - As a Home Console it is not only underpowered but also apparently 3 seperate entities, The NX, The Docking Station and a Compute Unit, again the device being seperate entities makes the whole thing feel clumsy and unrefined and not a desirable product for the living room.

 

Market NX Will Attract - Nintendo Die Hard fans, and the Niche market looking for a dedicated gaming tablet.

 

The rumoured NX tries to be both a device for portable gaming and home gaming. Due to this it is a mediocre handheld console, awful tablet and a fairly mediore home console.

 

Miyamotoo said:

They basicly amining for mobile users that want upgrade (there is huge gap on market betwin mobile gamers and PS4/XB1 gamers).

The rumoured NX is not appealing to the smartphone/tablet market in the slightest, other then a very very niche subsection.