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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

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ironmanDX said:
PAOerfulone said:

NXT is consistently good to great.

RAW is hit or miss.

SmackDown ...Outside of Mandy and Otis, SmackDown has been the shits.

At the moment,

AEW Dynamite > NXT >> RAW > SmackDown



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I watched Wrestlemania...then watched NXT and AEW from the previous week. Honestly, I felt NXT and AEW - which were just basic, everyday shows - were better than Wrestlemania. Better wrestling, better character work, more creativity in the ring, and somehow I didn't notice the lack of crowds as much.

I think it might be time for me to give up entirely on WWE's main roster. I love NXT, I love AEW, but man, even with some of the best talent in the world, the writing on Raw and Smackdown are so bad I just don't care. They regularly disrespect their talent, don't understand how to handle a payoff, and often 'subvert expectations' in all the wrong ways. As a writer myself, I think WWE's creative team is an absolute joke. The commentators are the worst by a wide margin (I used to love Corey Graves, but as soon as he went to the main roster his character became an argumentative dunce), the wrestling is generic and bland, the stories are inconsistent and poorly developed, and the wrong guy goes over so, so, SO often. it's just bad storytelling.

Edit - Oh, and the match between Trent and Omega? Better than anything on the Wrestlemania card by a pretty wide margin. Better action, better flow, better in-match character development, better comedy (Seriously, Orange Cassidy is just the best), and a better end. It was not a 5-star match by any means, but it was better than ANY one on one match from Wrestlemania. 

the Tag match between Cody and Darby allin vs Shawn Spears and Sammy Guevara was more creative and high energy than the Last Man Standing match between Edge and Orton. 

The triple threat between Keith Lee, Dominik Dijakovic, and Damian Priest was magnificent, high energy and creative and fun from beginning to its very fun end. I know this was supposed to be a TakeOver match, but it was outstanding. 

All three of those matches - two of which just random matches on a not-special episode of their respective shows - were better from an in-ring perspective than anything on Wrestlemania. I loved rollins-Owens, I loved the Ladder match, I thought the Firefly fun House and Boneyard matches were fun and creative and unique, I thought the women's matches were all varying levels of good to great (though the WRONG PERSON WENT OVER IN THE BECKY AND CHARLOTTE MATCHES!) Don't get me wrong, I liked or loved about half of Wrestlemania's matches, but even the good matches were often ruined in some way and the rest were garbage. ALL of the world title matches except one were terrible (Braun and Drew winning was the right choice, but the matches were utter, absolute trash; Becky and Charlotte winning was both a case of building up talent only to completely waste them, despite the matches otherwise being good). 

Like, I think what pisses me off most is those four matches. All four of them are emblematic of what's wrong with WWE today. Either allowing shitty wrestlers who don't care and can't wrestle to hold belts hostage, or completely wasting talent they spent the last year building up, disrespecting them in the process. 

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Runa216 said:

I watched Wrestlemania...then watched NXT and AEW from the previous week. Honestly, I felt NXT and AEW - which were just basic, everyday shows - were better than Wrestlemania. Better wrestling, better character work, more creativity in the ring, and somehow I didn't notice the lack of crowds as much.

I think it might be time for me to give up entirely on WWE's main roster. I love NXT, I love AEW, but man, even with some of the best talent in the world, the writing on Raw and Smackdown are so bad I just don't care. They regularly disrespect their talent, don't understand how to handle a payoff, and often 'subvert expectations' in all the wrong ways. As a writer myself, I think WWE's creative team is an absolute joke. The commentators are the worst by a wide margin (I used to love Corey Graves, but as soon as he went to the main roster his character became an argumentative dunce), the wrestling is generic and bland, the stories are inconsistent and poorly developed, and the wrong guy goes over so, so, SO often. it's just bad storytelling.

Edit - Oh, and the match between Trent and Omega? Better than anything on the Wrestlemania card by a pretty wide margin. Better action, better flow, better in-match character development, better comedy (Seriously, Orange Cassidy is just the best), and a better end. It was not a 5-star match by any means, but it was better than ANY one on one match from Wrestlemania. 

the Tag match between Cody and Darby allin vs Shawn Spears and Sammy Guevara was more creative and high energy than the Last Man Standing match between Edge and Orton. 

The triple threat between Keith Lee, Dominik Dijakovic, and Damian Priest was magnificent, high energy and creative and fun from beginning to its very fun end. I know this was supposed to be a TakeOver match, but it was outstanding. 

All three of those matches - two of which just random matches on a not-special episode of their respective shows - were better from an in-ring perspective than anything on Wrestlemania. I loved rollins-Owens, I loved the Ladder match, I thought the Firefly fun House and Boneyard matches were fun and creative and unique, I thought the women's matches were all varying levels of good to great (though the WRONG PERSON WENT OVER IN THE BECKY AND CHARLOTTE MATCHES!) Don't get me wrong, I liked or loved about half of Wrestlemania's matches, but even the good matches were often ruined in some way and the rest were garbage. ALL of the world title matches except one were terrible (Braun and Drew winning was the right choice, but the matches were utter, absolute trash; Becky and Charlotte winning was both a case of building up talent only to completely waste them, despite the matches otherwise being good). 

Like, I think what pisses me off most is those four matches. All four of them are emblematic of what's wrong with WWE today. Either allowing shitty wrestlers who don't care and can't wrestle to hold belts hostage, or completely wasting talent they spent the last year building up, disrespecting them in the process. 

The reason Charlotte won was because Rhea had a problem with her passport and had to go back on Monday. Rhea probably won't be back for a few months. 



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Eagle367 said:

The reason Charlotte won was because Rhea had a problem with her passport and had to go back on Monday. Rhea probably won't be back for a few months. 

Rhea herself has deconfirmed this and said it's not true. She's still very much in the States.

https://www.cbr.com/wwe-rhea-ripley-clarifies-expired-work-visa/



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Anyone see AEW Double or Nothing yet? Gonna watch it today or tomorrow, but I hear great things!



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Runa216 said:
I preferred the Firefly fun House one. Far smarter, in my eyes.

I was 50/50 on this Wrestlemania. some of the matches were good, some were meh, a few were terrible....but my biggest issue was the difference between the good and bad.

the matches where the right guy won...were terrible matches (Braun, Drew), and the matches that were pretty good CLEARLY had THE WRONG one win (Charlotte should NOT have gone over Rhea; Lynch SHOULD NOT have won over Shayna). some matches were great, some were bland, and then we had the two cinematic matches which were creative and fun.

Overall...C Mania. Even the good matches were bad, only a few were out-and-out victories.

Oh, and outside of the first 2 minutes and last 5 minutes, the Edge-orton match was hot garbage. The beginning and end were hot fire, though.

I didn’t see Wrestlemania, mostly because my app for WWE network broke when they changed some kind of authentication procedure - and I quit the network some time back.

But I’d say the reason why those two matches were better had more to do with the fact that you had 4 of the best women’s wrestlers involved - and all 4 of them are (imo) clearly better than Drew, Brock, and Goldberg - these guys are mostly image-based performers, not skill-based performers. Braun is great as a “big man” wrestler, though, but he needs the right people to work with... and again, he’s still more image than skill, so more likely to put on a bad match than any of the 4 aforementioned women.



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And just to respond to some of the NXT stuff. It’s been significantly better than the main roster for years, now. NXT is better than I remember WWE ever being at any point in its history... The only time I recall it being close to as good would be around the year 2000. Mick Foley and Triple H kicked off the year with the best match in either’s career (well, too 3 for Foley, by far the best Triple H match, though) and it just seemed everything was during right on all cylinders. The Attitude era by and large was not as great as I remembered UNTIL about 2000, 2001 was the next best year, but 2000 really was something else.

NXT kind of brought that sort of excitement back, just without the gigantic crowds and mostly everyone knowing what’s going on (since like few people watch pro-wrestling anymore, let alone NXT)



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Jumpin said:

And just to respond to some of the NXT stuff. It’s been significantly better than the main roster for years, now. NXT is better than I remember WWE ever being at any point in its history... The only time I recall it being close to as good would be around the year 2000. Mick Foley and Triple H kicked off the year with the best match in either’s career (well, too 3 for Foley, by far the best Triple H match, though) and it just seemed everything was during right on all cylinders. The Attitude era by and large was not as great as I remembered UNTIL about 2000, 2001 was the next best year, but 2000 really was something else.

NXT kind of brought that sort of excitement back, just without the gigantic crowds and mostly everyone knowing what’s going on (since like few people watch pro-wrestling anymore, let alone NXT)

I agree.


I also disagree.

The triple threat with HBK, HHH and he who must not be named was the best match HHH has been a part of.


I keep meaning to get back into wrestling and watching only NXT and/or AEW. The years of sheer disappointment from the main WWE roster though have been keeping me away.



Jumpin said:

And just to respond to some of the NXT stuff. It’s been significantly better than the main roster for years, now. NXT is better than I remember WWE ever being at any point in its history... The only time I recall it being close to as good would be around the year 2000. Mick Foley and Triple H kicked off the year with the best match in either’s career (well, too 3 for Foley, by far the best Triple H match, though) and it just seemed everything was during right on all cylinders. The Attitude era by and large was not as great as I remembered UNTIL about 2000, 2001 was the next best year, but 2000 really was something else.

NXT kind of brought that sort of excitement back, just without the gigantic crowds and mostly everyone knowing what’s going on (since like few people watch pro-wrestling anymore, let alone NXT)

I haven't watched Raw or Smackdown since last August, to be honest. It's just not good. I keep up with what's going on but I just don't care about any of it. NXT is good, but they keep taking people away from NXT to flounder on Raw/Smackdown. 

I'm almost entirely an AEW gal now. 



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