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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17
BasilZero said:

So Lesnar wins the title despite not actually pinning or submitting the champion...?

Well, that can happen in any title match with more than two people.

In this case, Rollins powerbombed Austin theory through lashley's cell, lashley was knocked back, hit a beam and went into concussion protocol. I think it was a work, but it was pretty well done. There's a small part of me who thinks it may have been real.

Assuming it was planned, it was the right call. Now Lashley has a legitimate claim for a match against the winner. Or, they could do something like they did with Bret Hart and Luger back in the day. Lesnar vs Lashley night one and the winner faces Reigns. Although that's a hat on a hat.

It's not like a terrible outcome. I like unifying the titles in general. And Reigns vs Lashley is definitely the match you want at Mania. Just wish they didn't need to devalue everyone else to get there. 



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BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

Well, that can happen in any title match with more than two people.

In this case, Rollins powerbombed Austin theory through lashley's cell, lashley was knocked back, hit a beam and went into concussion protocol. I think it was a work, but it was pretty well done. There's a small part of me who thinks it may have been real.

Assuming it was planned, it was the right call. Now Lashley has a legitimate claim for a match against the winner. Or, they could do something like they did with Bret Hart and Luger back in the day. Lesnar vs Lashley night one and the winner faces Reigns. Although that's a hat on a hat.

It's not like a terrible outcome. I like unifying the titles in general. And Reigns vs Lashley is definitely the match you want at Mania. Just wish they didn't need to devalue everyone else to get there. 

Well I thought Lashley would at least stay in the match till he got pinned/submitted.

Anyways, heard he got a legitimate should injury from Rumble which is why he got written off like that.


I dont think he'll be back by Mania though.

Yeah. Makes me feel better about the finish. If Lashley couldn't defend, it's probably better just to go with the unification rather than hotshotting the title. 



I swear, I'm not just trying to be a hater, but I watched AEW dynamite since I was free this evening, and in the course of the show, there was one in ring segment for the entire women's division featuring 3 out of the 23 current women's wrestlers signed to AEW. And one of the women who least deserves it. The situation likely won't be improving any time soon, as AEW has just signed yet another new wrestler to the company. In the most incomprehensible segment in recent memory, but that's another story. If you're a woman, it seems like going to AEW is career suicide. And it's also stupid on AEW's side as women's matches appeal to different demographics.



BasilZero said:

AEW's been debuting a new star almost every week now....its lost its luster lol.

I am becoming convinced that AEW is actually a Producers style tax scheme.



BasilZero said:
JWeinCom said:

I am becoming convinced that AEW is actually a Producers style tax scheme.

Wonder who will join next.

Jeff Hardy or Cesaro lol

Jeff Hardy already announced it I think. 

Cesaro is definitely one that they should sign, but at this point with how many people they have on their roster, I don't know if it really makes sense to hire anyone unless they're like John Cena.



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JWeinCom said:

I swear, I'm not just trying to be a hater, but I watched AEW dynamite since I was free this evening, and in the course of the show, there was one in ring segment for the entire women's division featuring 3 out of the 23 current women's wrestlers signed to AEW. And one of the women who least deserves it. The situation likely won't be improving any time soon, as AEW has just signed yet another new wrestler to the company. In the most incomprehensible segment in recent memory, but that's another story. If you're a woman, it seems like going to AEW is career suicide. And it's also stupid on AEW's side as women's matches appeal to different demographics.

Really, you are not trying to be a hater? No disrespect intended here but you pretty much criticize everything about AEW, so it does feel like hating at this point. I'm not saying AEW is perfect (I personally wish they'd stop hiring people), but damn you seem to find fault with everything they do. No wrestling promotion is perfect, but AEW puts on the most consistent wresting show every week with Dynamite. While it would be great to see more women featured on the show, it is a division that is still improving as it was (and arguably still is) their weakest division. They are a 3 year old company, not everything is going to happen as fast as we may want it to, but it genuinely feels like an effort is being made.



No_Name_Needed said:
JWeinCom said:

I swear, I'm not just trying to be a hater, but I watched AEW dynamite since I was free this evening, and in the course of the show, there was one in ring segment for the entire women's division featuring 3 out of the 23 current women's wrestlers signed to AEW. And one of the women who least deserves it. The situation likely won't be improving any time soon, as AEW has just signed yet another new wrestler to the company. In the most incomprehensible segment in recent memory, but that's another story. If you're a woman, it seems like going to AEW is career suicide. And it's also stupid on AEW's side as women's matches appeal to different demographics.

Really, you are not trying to be a hater? No disrespect intended here but you pretty much criticize everything about AEW, so it does feel like hating at this point. I'm not saying AEW is perfect (I personally wish they'd stop hiring people), but damn you seem to find fault with everything they do. No wrestling promotion is perfect, but AEW puts on the most consistent wresting show every week with Dynamite. While it would be great to see more women featured on the show, it is a division that is still improving as it was (and arguably still is) their weakest division. They are a 3 year old company, not everything is going to happen as fast as we may want it to, but it genuinely feels like an effort is being made.

Am I finding faults where there are none? Was my criticism invalid?

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JWeinCom said:
No_Name_Needed said:

Really, you are not trying to be a hater? No disrespect intended here but you pretty much criticize everything about AEW, so it does feel like hating at this point. I'm not saying AEW is perfect (I personally wish they'd stop hiring people), but damn you seem to find fault with everything they do. No wrestling promotion is perfect, but AEW puts on the most consistent wresting show every week with Dynamite. While it would be great to see more women featured on the show, it is a division that is still improving as it was (and arguably still is) their weakest division. They are a 3 year old company, not everything is going to happen as fast as we may want it to, but it genuinely feels like an effort is being made.

Am I finding faults where there are none? Was my criticism invalid?

All you do is find faults, nothing else. You don't like AEW, that much is clear and it is fine. People can like and dislike what they want, but lets not pretend it is anything else, you don't like AEW. Perhaps you just prefer WWE, and that is of course fine. I just find your "I'm not trying to be a hater" comment amusing when you seem to hate everything AEW does. Again all wrestling promotions have their faults, but it seems you feel just about everything about AEW is deserving of criticism.

Just adding this after posting as an edit. The women's division is still the smallest and greenest division in AEW, one match on both shows I think is OK for now. If a year or two from now it is still only one match on both Dynamite and Rampage, then it would be a valid complaint.

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No_Name_Needed said:
JWeinCom said:

Am I finding faults where there are none? Was my criticism invalid?

All you do is find faults, nothing else. You don't like AEW, that much is clear and it is fine. People can like and dislike what they want, but lets not pretend it is anything else, you don't like AEW. Perhaps you just prefer WWE, and that is of course fine. I just find your "I'm not trying to be a hater" comment amusing when you seem to hate everything AEW does. Again all wrestling promotions have their faults, but it seems you feel just about everything about AEW is deserving of criticism.

 Being a hater is arbitrarily finding fault where there is none due to bias. Not pointing out legitimate flaws.

So, again, was my criticism invalid? If not, then what's wrong with pointing out actual flaws?



JWeinCom said:
No_Name_Needed said:

All you do is find faults, nothing else. You don't like AEW, that much is clear and it is fine. People can like and dislike what they want, but lets not pretend it is anything else, you don't like AEW. Perhaps you just prefer WWE, and that is of course fine. I just find your "I'm not trying to be a hater" comment amusing when you seem to hate everything AEW does. Again all wrestling promotions have their faults, but it seems you feel just about everything about AEW is deserving of criticism.

 Being a hater is arbitrarily finding fault where there is none due to bias. Not pointing out legitimate flaws.

So, again, was my criticism invalid? If not, then what's wrong with pointing out actual flaws?

So why did you yourself bring up the hater thing? You know you look like a AEW hater at this point so you pointed it out before anyone else could perhaps?

Like I said you find flaws in everything they do, you don't like them, and there are plenty of others just like you. It is what it is, I myself can find a litany of things wrong with the WWE today. Hell if I listed them all you would probably say I am WWE hater and defend them. If one has a preference (or bias) one way or the other, then this is how things usually play out with pro wrestling discussions or arguments.

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