I'll need to see these consoles running true 4k before I believe it... the hardware just looks woefully inadequate for stable gaming at that level, and lord knows their claims of having stable 1080p gaming this gen didn't exactly pan out quite like they said it would.

You're not getting true (I'm assuming you mean native render) 4k resolutions on any games on the PS4P, barring low overhead games and smaller indy titles. 

A $400 GTX 1070 (on top of the rest of the cost of the PC build) is about what you would need for 4k native render on most games, but at closer to 30fps than 60 for high overhead games. 

This is a $400 console. Totally different price range and performance levels. 

What potential buyers should be looking at once the tests come in is the post processing "smoothing" that Sony developed that is supposedly beyond simple upscaling. 

Anyone who watched the keynote or read about the tech feel free to jump in on the differences. 

Yeah that's actually what I'm curious to see... essentially, does it look the part or have those ugly lines and such that happened when games attempted upscaling to 1080p. From what I've read the Pro is definitely not running native 4k and the Scorpio is rumored not to; if they're willing to push the price a tad higher it might not be IMPOSSIBLE, but I'd be surprised.

Even with gaming rigs that 1070 you mentioned is largely incapable of running many (if not most) games reliably at 4k resolution without a serious performance drop.

I'm not sure which post you're referring to.

If you don't have the previous PS4 version, in my opinion, Slim is worthless becouse PRO is only 50-100 more expensive.

For him wanting Uncharted 4 the Pro is 150$ more expensive though.

I've never said X1 slim's upscaling was as good as pro's but it's still upscaled 4k on a cheaper machine, with backwards compatibility and better online service... And UHD blu-ray player of course.

And keep in mind X1 S isn't even pro's competitor, that'll be Scorpio. 

Anyway i didn't know about the slim having 500gb, that's been my mistake for sure, in that case then is better to go for pro because a 1TB disk for the slim would be 50$ more. 

Not "worthless" as it will still play every PS4 game (supposedly), but it's more of a matter of cost savings vs. performance. If you buy U4 with a PS4P, it's $460 without a sale on the game, you buy the PS4S and it's $300 with U4. 

Personally, I don't see any reason to buy anything but the Pro at the asking price, but to the majority of the market, price matters. 

(your sig graphic reminded me I need to finish Life is Strange)

I'm not calling anyone out specifically, but if anyone implies there's no benefit to the significant hardware update in the PS4P, it's just plain disingenuous at worst, ignorant at best. 

Playstation 4 Pro :P