1. Of course it's competing with other home consoles. But I'm saying that you can't just look at the price. You have to look at the overall value you get for that price.

2. So now Scorpion is taken into the discussion lol? Nobody knows its price. But 500gflops is in the same ballpark as Xbox One at 1.3tflops. You can have multiplatforms run at 720p on the NX that run at 900p on Xbox One and in 1080p on the PS4. Most Xbox fans are satisifed with how their multiplatforms look and the typical Nintendo consumer is even less picky. That said, of course the NX will get problems with third party and many publishers won't port their games to the NX. But that has always been the case for Nintendo.

What does it matter if the PS4 Pro is 8 times more powerful or Scorpion is 12 times more powerful if Zelda looks good and Mario, Pikmin and Donkey Kong looks good like they do on the Wii U?

Nintendo isn't about hardware performance. There's no point for them to enter the specs race with Sony and Microsoft. How many times does that have to be said?

You have to compare the overall value in a fair way. Comparing price and only hardware specs is unfair.

For $299 you will get a hybrid console with a 720p screen handheld portable and physical controls and a machine that you also can hook up to your TV like a Wii U. You get a super modern 3DS and a Wii U in one device!

Of course this all costs money. You use very primitive logic if you only compare the GPU specs with the PS4's 1.84 TFLOPS and think the NX should be able to include more for that price. But the portable 720p screen also costs money, and the docking station costs money. Of course they have to compromise somewhere. Making a handheld with PS4's power is physically impossible.

If Nintendo's hardware engineers really can provide all this and sell it for only $249 they have done an incredible job. But we can't demand that.

$299 is the logical price we should expect.

Yes it does.

http://nvidiashieldzone.com/2015/08/review-nyko-shield-dock/

Yes you can.

There is also a seperate Shield TV box too.

The shield controller can detach from the shield tablet.

Sadly no.

Actually those revisions/consoles only released this year.

One of them even offers better performance and new features.

I highly doubt the NX will be in the same ballpark as the Xbox One, let alone the Playstation 4, the technology doesn't really exist yet.
But, if on release I am proven wrong I will also be very happy.

I am hoping for NX to be a huge success, Microsoft and Sony could do with the competition in my opinion.

Sorry for picking your post apart though.

The Nvidia shield tablet has a 8" screen thats 1920x1080p.

NX haveing a 6" screen @720p for 199$ should be possible, if Nvidia can do more with their tablet, while haveing the same specs (rumors) ect.

You can also hook that up to the TV.

Nvidia manage that for 199$, while not haveing anywhere near the same prospects of recouping costs with software sales that nintendo does.

I think Nintendo could managed to hit 199$ with this, if that is their goal.

That leaves you with 3 choices:

Super high end Microsoft scorpio ~499$

Mid end PS4 pro ~399$  (maybe 349$ by the time scorpio launches)

low end NX ~199$

Something like that is what I imagine to happend.

The mass market will never buy a Nintendo console for $ 299,-. Maybe at launch window but after that its gonna be like the Wii U.

lol "picking apart"

But the docking station doesn't come in the box!

Can you confirm that you get an Nvidia Shield that you can connect to the TV for only $199, not having to pay anything extra?

The revisions are new, but the performance is three years old in the PS4 Slim and the Xbox One Slim for $299.

The NX is in the same ballpark (a subjective opinion) as an Xbox One if it is 500 gflops (versus 1.3 tflops of the XBO) and runs the same games at 720p that the Xbox One can run in 900p.

Nothing.

Please don't compare apples and oranges. Why do you bring the Nvidia Shield tablet all of a sudden?

The Nvidia Shield portable doesn't have a 1080p screen, it has a 720p screen at only 5 inches. And it launched at $299.

The NX will have a 6 inch screen and other upgraded components compared with the Nvidia Shield, and it will be more powerful.

$199 is unreasonable. I think you are putting up those expectations so that you can complain and declare it as a failure when the launch price is announced, but in reality you don't believe it will cost $199 at launch.

Pro and NX are going after 2 different markets. Reggie made it clear to say that. If Nintendo doesn't want to include an 8+GB graphics processor, a decent CPU, and comfortable architecture then that market that PS and XB have will never come to Nintendo consoles and I think that's what Nintendo wants. They want to go after a different and bigger market, albeit difficult to successfully court.

I believe NX will be a low cost console that is fairly powerful but with a gimmick that makes it very appealing. Nintendo's games sell the best on their consoles so as long as their games look amazing, which they will, then NX is in a realm of its own. Along with heavy Japanese 3rd party support, I'm sold.

Exactly, at launch. Of course $299 wouldn't be a mass market price, but when has a console launched at a mass market price? Only the Wii did at $249 but it was extremely underpowered. We all have to remember that the 3DS, a pure handheld, launched at $249 and the Wii U at $299/$349.

Early adopters are willing to pay more. The NX could start at $299 in March 2017, get healthy early adopter sales of 3-4 million between March and October similar to the 3DS (who sold 5.1 mill between Feb 2011 to Sep 2011) and then it could get a price drop to $249 for Holidays 2017.

If we're lucky it starts at $249 and drops to $199 for the Holidays.

Why did I compair it? Because Nintendo is releaseing a tablet much like it, rumored to have a tegra in it much like the one in the nvidia shield, if not near identical. Because they are both gameing devices, that are portable and can hook up to a tv.

And you are wrong about the nvidia shield tablet.

It does have a 1080p screen, and its 8".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield_Tablet

It costs 199$ now, why cant Nintendo do one simular if the insides are likely the same?

"This is Nvidia's second portable gaming device that uses Android. Compared to the Shield Portable, the controller is not permanently connected to the screen, rather it can be purchased separately. Up to four controllers can be wirelessly connected at the same time. While the Shield tablet features an 8-inch 1920x1200 pixel display, it can output 4K resolution signal to a television via HDMI.^{[2]"  - wiki}