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invetedlotus123 said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Wasn't Xbox One the first console to ever ship to China if I'm not mistaken. I remember reading something like this

People tend to misunderstan the scenario for consoles in China before the ban was lifted. Consoles ALWAYS were sold in mainland China, and China is pretty much a PS territory (for consoles anyway), and PS brand was already pretty strong there. When the ban was lifted XB1 was the first to be available officially, but this doesn't mean much, even sales wise, the grey market still much bigger than the official one. 

I know that 20 years ago they had some Mega Drive and NES clones at least. Because they were the ones who manufacture them



 

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You know MS has clout when it likely costs way more to have an Xbox division in Japan than the revenue they get back for the games and consoles. Most companies would have taken the hint a long time ago.



RJ_Sizzle said:
You know MS has clout when it likely costs way more to have an Xbox division in Japan than the revenue they get back for the games and consoles. Most companies would have taken the hint a long time ago.

I don't think they invest any money in Japanese market right now. So you should only count what they lost when they shipped the consoles. As someone mentioned above it doesn't seem that they sold initial consoles shipped which is ~100k



 

derpysquirtle64 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:
You know MS has clout when it likely costs way more to have an Xbox division in Japan than the revenue they get back for the games and consoles. Most companies would have taken the hint a long time ago.

I don't think they invest any money in Japanese market right now. So you should only count what they lost when they shipped the consoles. As someone mentioned above it doesn't seem that they sold initial consoles shipped which is ~100k

It costs money to maintain XBL for that market and run custumer service and what have you. Plus they have a board and various staff to run thngs just like any other market a game division branches out to. Oh sure it may not be very busy, but MS actually pays people for these positions. Likely adding up more over any customers they hope to get. 



RJ_Sizzle said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

I don't think they invest any money in Japanese market right now. So you should only count what they lost when they shipped the consoles. As someone mentioned above it doesn't seem that they sold initial consoles shipped which is ~100k

It costs money to maintain XBL for that market and run custumer service and what have you. Plus they have a board and various staff to run thngs just like any other market a game division branches out to. Oh sure it may not be very busy, but MS actually pays people for these positions. Likely adding up more over any customers they hope to get. 

Customer service is one for all Microsoft products I believe including Windows. Which I believe the most popular OS in Japan like in any other country in the world.



 

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derpysquirtle64 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

It costs money to maintain XBL for that market and run custumer service and what have you. Plus they have a board and various staff to run thngs just like any other market a game division branches out to. Oh sure it may not be very busy, but MS actually pays people for these positions. Likely adding up more over any customers they hope to get. 

Customer service is one for all Microsoft products I believe including Windows. Which I believe the most popular OS in Japan like in any other country in the world.

Yes, all that stuff is under the Microsoft umbrella, but there are localized specific functions needed for the Xbox brand in any market it's in. It's not just dumped in the laps of any MS employee. 

Also, consider this, given that the average cost of an Xbox One in Japan is $300 USD, they've only sold about 20 million dollars worth, and that's probably at a loss. So any money coming in for the division there has to be through games and Live accounts and other transactions. And it can't possibly balance out. The Xbox division is still there mainly to save face. But, that's job security for thoise employees in the meantime.



Ouch, this is really bad for Microsoft :)
Japan is so hard on them!



RJ_Sizzle said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Customer service is one for all Microsoft products I believe including Windows. Which I believe the most popular OS in Japan like in any other country in the world.

Yes, all that stuff is under the Microsoft umbrella, but there are localized specific functions needed for the Xbox brand in any market it's in. It's not just dumped in the laps of any MS employee. 

Also, consider this, given that the average cost of an Xbox One in Japan is $300 USD, they've only sold about 20 million dollars worth, and that's probably at a loss. So any money coming in for the division there has to be through games and Live accounts and other transactions. And it can't possibly balance out. The Xbox division is still there mainly to save face. But, that's job security for thoise employees in the meantime.

You are right about localization but as for the servers I don't think they have Japan-only servers for MP. I think they have common servers with other Asian countries: China, Korea, East part of Russia, etc



 

And for anyone wondering the Wii U launched 15 months ahead of the ps4 and it's getting passed out this month.

The ps4 is also matching the ps3 sales launch aligned. In a market where the xbox 1 and Wii U collapsed on it's predecessors the ps4 is doing remarkably well!



Hiku said:
kowenicki said:

Wow, it still hasnt past the WiiU.  Thanks for highlighting this, I havent been paying attention. It's doing worse than I thought over there.  Will be the worst selling Playstation ever in Japan presumaby?

Launch alligned, I'm sure it has outsold WiiU, which has been out for 14 months longer in Japan. Though even counting that head start, another week like this would put PS4 past it. That said, this looks be the worst selling Xbox and Nintendo console in Japan as well. And I think the drop off from the previous consoles is bigger for Microsoft and Nintendo as well.

PS4 has sold ~29,4% of what PS3 sold.
WiiU has sold ~25,3% of what Wii sold.
XBO has sold ~4% of what X360 sold.

That's a massive drop for Xbox, and while both it and WiiU have no future in Japan from here on out, PS4 will keep selling for some years to come.

Azzanation said:

Thats my point. Its practically none existed in Japan. Everything would be outselling the X1 in Japan. Just like US cars dont sell well in Japan either. Thank god Japan is only a small market share.

As for the original Xbox and 360. They didnt sell well either in Japan and they turned out to be successful consoles. 

 

If i were MS ill just stop caring for the Japanese market all together and chase the bigger fish in the sea. Cant convince a culture to buy American products it just doesn't happen unless its iPhone. Im not even American and im saying this haha.

The Japanese market extends beyond Japan. Which is why Japanese publishers refrain from putting some titles on Xbox even outside Japan, like the Persona series. Japanese games is part of Playstation's appeal worldwide. If Microsoft give up on Japan completely, the disparity in Japanese titles between Playstation and Xbox will only become worse.

Anyway, what Kerotan's numbers illustrate is not just that PS4 outsells XBO, but how poorly XBO is doing. Even compared to its predecessor. It has only sold 4% of what X360 has in Japan so far.

Thats fair enough. However look at it this way. Japanese games arent the be all and end all of gaming. Most XBox owners dont play Persona. Its a different culture of games for a different culture of people. Sure Japanese games sell outside of Japan but on Xbox the main focus is more on western games. On Steam i have many Japanese games avialble to me yet i dont even bother with them because there not for me. Losing Japanese games isnt a loss for MS. There audience doesnt care either (Except afew expectations). For Sony and Nintendo its a different story.

The XB1 is still going to be on the market for another couple years. The 360 still didnt need Japan to be successful.