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Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

Did you check his links in the description? It gives the exact investors meeting and direct quotes from Iwata himself.

Keep in mind I'm not saying NX won't be a hybrid device, but there are statements that have been made which makes it seem it won't be a hybrid, but two form factors that share a library. 

He convienantly downplays that Iwata a year after those quotes (Jan 2014) says that he's now unsure if they need multiple form factors or just one. 

My guess is the NX concept may have started as a multiple platform device, but Nintendo eventually came to the conclusion that a singular hybrid was better for several reasons. 

You can't have a "shared ecosystem" and then just have some balls to the wall 80 watt console and expect games to run on a 5-8 watt portable. 

That's essentially the problem when trying to guess what something is, but saying there is no info claiming that NX COULD be seperate devices is not entirely true.



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Unless NX is some sort of core (the actual NX concept) that you can just use by itself or pair it with attachable controllers or even plug it in a special dock to give it more power... more RAM...what have you.

It just doesn't make any sense, from Iwata's first comments to this guy's comments, to turn a console into TV connector.
There's got to be something more to this. Otherwise, why all the secrecy for a new handheld when no one is making handhelds?



bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

He convienantly downplays that Iwata a year after those quotes (Jan 2014) says that he's now unsure if they need multiple form factors or just one. 

My guess is the NX concept may have started as a multiple platform device, but Nintendo eventually came to the conclusion that a singular hybrid was better for several reasons. 

You can't have a "shared ecosystem" and then just have some balls to the wall 80 watt console and expect games to run on a 5-8 watt portable. 

That's essentially the problem when trying to guess what something is, but saying there is no info claiming that NX COULD be seperate devices is not entirely true.

At this point the proof is piling up pretty high though. 

It's not just Eurogamer that reported the hybrid thing, it's been cross-verified by IGN. In a podcast last week Peer Schneider (someone who's been covering Nintendo for 20 years, so he's no amateur reporter) stated that IGN had the hybrid concept verified by their own *multiple* sources. 

Wall Street Journal, Lets Play Video Games, and Semi Accurate also confirming the hybrid reports. 

And about 2 weeks ago, you Mr. Takahashi (head of Nintendo EPD and one of the cheif big wigs in designing the NX) referring to the device in a singular tense (I want to make A DEVICE that both moms and experienced players will enjoy ... which among other things doesn't sound like some super duper hardcore console).

Now today we have this quote, which while I'll agree isn't full confirmation, is pretty damn close to describing a hybrid platform. A shared library isn't a new concept either, the PS Vita and Vita TV already do that.  

Meanwhile Dave is hanging onto AMD design wins that could be anything. 

In any case, just reveal the fucking thing already Nintendo so people can shut the fuck up. 



Miyamotoo said:
Wyrdness said:
His wording suggests 2 devices not a hybrid tbh.

No, he suggesting one device that change concept of home console or a handheld.

"The NX is trying to change the concept of what it means to be a home console device or a hand-held device".

 

bunchanumbers said:
If Nintendo doesn't make a home console then I'm out. There is no reason why Nintendo couldn't make a console that doesn't break the bank. I'm hopeful for the 2 devices 1 ecosystem rumor.

Then you are out, at this point it's almost certain that is hybrid device.

 

bigtakilla said:

But don't you feel it's a pretty far stretch to say it means that. You could just as easily read it as two seperate devices. 

No its not stretch at all if we count what Nintendo recently was saying and EG rumours for instance.

There, I corrected it for you, because you know, information is based on facts, not rumours, that's why rumours are called rumours ;)

By "if we count what Nintendo recently was saying", you meant the few things Nintendo did actually say about the NX, like:

IWATA: Last year we also started a project to integrate the architecture for our future platforms.

What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine.

What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform. They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.

 

 

Come & play the Crow game if you ar so sure of your theory:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=220345&page=1#



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bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

SMD64 is delusional at this point. He has no actual source for any of his theories either. 

Did you check his links in the description? It gives the exact investors meeting and direct quotes from Iwata himself.

Keep in mind I'm not saying NX won't be a hybrid device, but there are statements that have been made which makes it seem it won't be a hybrid, but two form factors that share a library. 

Yup, definitely delusional at this point, he become internet joke, he think that NX is Polaris based and PS4 Pro killer. :)

Iwata did said in January 2013. that NX want be hybrid, but year and half later (when they actualy start moving forward with NX plans) he said he is not sure about form factor of platform or that NX will be one or multiple devices.

 

"Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."



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Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:

Did you check his links in the description? It gives the exact investors meeting and direct quotes from Iwata himself.

Keep in mind I'm not saying NX won't be a hybrid device, but there are statements that have been made which makes it seem it won't be a hybrid, but two form factors that share a library. 

Yup, definitely delusional at this point, he become internet joke, he think that NX is Polaris based and PS4 Pro killer. :)

Iwata did said in January 2013. that NX want be hybrid, but year and half later (when they actualy start moving forward with NX plans) he said he is not sure about form factor of platform or that NX will be one or multiple devices.

 

"Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

Yup, in Jan 2013 he's talking about "brother devices", but a year later in Jan. 2014 he's now suddenly unsure if they need one device or multiple. 

My guess is by this point, the R&D staff was pushing the hybrid concept hard, and that's the one that won out in the end. 



Mar1217 said:
Sorry, Miyamootoo but it confirms absolutely nothing x)

We could only go even further in speculation that's it :P

I agree.  At this point, almost everyone has their idea of what the NX is and is looking for confirmation bias in every bit of rumors or 'leaks' to solidify their point-of-view.  Someone who believes the NX is a hybrid sees this as more confirmation to that fact.  I think the NX is one platform with multiple sepearate devices so my confirmation bias sees this as them saying that they are only making games for one Nintendo platform rather than two seperate Nintendo platforms like in the past.



wombat123 said:
Mar1217 said:
Sorry, Miyamootoo but it confirms absolutely nothing x)

We could only go even further in speculation that's it :P

I agree.  At this point, almost everyone has their idea of what the NX is and is looking for confirmation bias in every bit of rumors or 'leaks' to solidify their point-of-view.  Someone who believes the NX is a hybrid sees this as more confirmation to that fact.  I think the NX is one platform with multiple sepearate devices so my confirmation bias sees this as them saying that they are only making games for one Nintendo platform rather than two seperate Nintendo platforms like in the past.

Even for logistical reasons, I hope people realized a "unified platform" is a monstrous change for Nintendo. 

You're not getting a "console" that's 10x more powerful than the portable. That would make a unified library unfeasible and basically destroy the entire point of the concept. 

So either way this is going to be a massive change for Nintendo gamers. To be honest in said scenario, I don't really even know who outside of maybe 10-12 million people would even buy the console variant. 

You'd have the same games on the portable, and they'd have to be reasonably close in graphics. The 3DS already outsells the Wii U 5 to 1, give the 3DS all the Wii U games and close the graphics gap between the two to be much closer ... and who the hell is buying that console aside from a very small niche of Nintendo fans? You're probably looking at a 7 to 1 or 8 to 1 disparity in sales for the portable vs. console variant in this case, which I'm guessing Nintendo realized at some point in their development process. 

Why force people to have to pay an additional $200+ just to play the same games on the television. 



wombat123 said:
Mar1217 said:
Sorry, Miyamootoo but it confirms absolutely nothing x)

We could only go even further in speculation that's it :P

I agree.  At this point, almost everyone has their idea of what the NX is and is looking for confirmation bias in every bit of rumors or 'leaks' to solidify their point-of-view.  Someone who believes the NX is a hybrid sees this as more confirmation to that fact.  I think the NX is one platform with multiple sepearate devices so my confirmation bias sees this as them saying that they are only making games for one Nintendo platform rather than two seperate Nintendo platforms like in the past.

Thats point, everything indicates that NX is really hybrid, nothing indicates that NX is platform with multiple separate devices.

 

 

Game_God said:
Miyamotoo said:

No, he suggesting one device that change concept of home console or a handheld.

"The NX is trying to change the concept of what it means to be a home console device or a hand-held device".

 

Then you are out, at this point it's almost certain that is hybrid device.

 

No its not stretch at all if we count what Nintendo recently was saying and EG rumours for instance.

There, I corrected it for you, because you know, information is based on facts, not rumours, that's why rumours are called rumours ;)

 

By "if we count what Nintendo recently was saying", you meant the few things Nintendo did actually say about the NX, like:

IWATA: Last year we also started a project to integrate the architecture for our future platforms.

What we mean by integrating platforms is not integrating handhelds devices and home consoles to make only one machine.

What we are aiming at is to integrate the architecture to form a common basis for software development so that we can make software assets more transferrable, and operating systems and their build-in applications more portable, regardless of form factor or performance of each platform. They will also work to avoid software lineup shortages or software development delays which tend to happen just after the launch of new hardware.

 

Come & play the Crow game if you ar so sure of your theory:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=220345&page=1#

I said infos with purpose because EG don't make whole article based just on some random rumours, they had confirmations for infos they had.

 

That wasn't nothing recently, that was from January 2013. but this statement is from March 2014. when they were more ahad with NX plans:

IWATA: "Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated.

  Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

 

 

Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yup, definitely delusional at this point, he become internet joke, he think that NX is Polaris based and PS4 Pro killer. :)

Iwata did said in January 2013. that NX want be hybrid, but year and half later (when they actualy start moving forward with NX plans) he said he is not sure about form factor of platform or that NX will be one or multiple devices.

 

"Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

Yup, in Jan 2013 he's talking about "brother devices", but a year later in Jan. 2014 he's now suddenly unsure if they need one device or multiple. 

My guess is by this point, the R&D staff was pushing the hybrid concept hard, and that's the one that won out in the end. 

Agree, in time when Iwata said this they probably start pushing hard to hybrid idea.



Is implied, but not confirmed..

What is more exciting, though, is that Pokemon is coming to the NX! Amazing! o:



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