I only posted in here because I was called out but let me set the record straight before I leave.  

You are taking things I said in other threads out of context and using them to make me look bad.  

I think power matters.  

Ps4 launched cheaper than x1 by $100 and was more powerful.  I made a big deal of that because for less Money you get more power.  

I dunno what you are smoking... a GTX 980 TI, 5.7 Tflops, costs $650 at the very least. And that's just one graphics card alone... Seems like you know very little and even too lazy to google. Why bother continue arguing? 

If they need a name with a ring to it, Then Xbox pro is that name it's a winner I tell you, a god damn stroke of genius , I'm off to trademark it now. 

Sony isn't dropping the price of the Pro $100 in one year.  $50, plausible, if not guaranteed.
 They are keeping PS4 Slim on the market for low price point market.

Scorpio is the next gen of Xbox, it is not retaining same basic architecture as Xbone, e.g. memory, and certainly CPU will change as well>
Sony's keeping all those elements the same with simple upclock meant optimization target for devs was really just one platform.
Xbone's ESRAM approach was a dud, and they aren't going to hamstring themselves by sticking to it... Meaning it will be a new platform.

Exactly.  MS themself loudly announced "premium price".  To then claim it is the same price as standard console is absurd.
Why would MS scare away price-conscious consumers with "premium price" talk, if they didn't plan on charging more?
If we aren't believing MS, then there isn't much to talk about re: Scorpio to begin with.

Right, this isn't about price/peformance, Zen just is not available if they want to launch 2017.  Puma+ certainly looks likely, being available,
and being good on price/performance benefit, especially considering Jaguar would need even higher upclock to try to compete, impacting heat + cost.
Since they're breaking Xbone architecture with memory change, MS has no reason to stick with Jaguar (unlike Sony w/ PS4Pro, which wasn't for $ reasons), 
so I would expect Puma+ to be likely... Especially understanding that MS will aim to be able to update Scorpio like Sony did with PS4og/Pro,
retaining Jaguar for Scorpio would just create either perforance penalty or developer hassle in future, when Sony's post-Pro competition will likely go Zen.

Agreed.  And that is not even going with "high end spec" as posters like Pemalite would like to see.

This is ridiculous.  There is no personal attacks here on somebody's character.  Posters should be able to factually refer to others' statements.
If we specifically cite Eurogamer, etc, why not specific posters?  If one expects to be taken seriously, one's post history should be able to be referenced.
I guess some people don't have the expectation to be taken seriously, but I don't see why the community discussion should be lowered to that level.
If somebody makes a claim, then that claim should be able to be responded to, and follow up from original poster is reasonable to be expected/solicited.
If you don't like that, don't post.

Yes Scorpio will be DOA imo.  Unless they massively overhaul the specs it will be 40% stronger than the PS4K, which is a smaller gap than the 50 - 75% advantange the PS4 has over the X1.

Not only that but by the time Scorpio launches for $500 (LOL I can build a PC as strong as the scorpio NOW for $600), the PS4K will be $299.   AND, MS is no longer making exclusives for XBOX.  This is just PS2 vs XBOX all over again.

A stock RX 480 is capable of 5.1 Tflops and is $200. Overclock it a bit, and you can get to 6Tflops no problem. Keep in mind Microsoft is rumoured to be using Polaris, so this is likely the card they're going with. BTW, they have a year before it releases this hardware, and Microsoft probably can get a discount on mass-orders. Oops: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-RX-480-Review-Polaris-Promise

Again it's irrelevant what you said.  

I just told you the reason it was a big deal at launch was because you could buy a ps4 for $100 cheaper than x1 and it was more powerful.  

The ps4 pro is more expensive so obviously you expect a boost.  And if Scorpio is more expensive again you expect another boost in power. The issue comes when one is more expensive then the other but weaker.  

@flaming bit.  

If you're going to call me out get your facts right. It was way out of context and you on a number of occasions spelt my name wrong.  

You know, I think mis-spelling Kerotan's username really demands it's own thread...

Mate, my reasons for the PS4 dominating were always brand and PS exclusives. I don't recall ever using power as ammo as power doesn't matter to me IRL. Even when the crushed black or lower resolution topics were flying around, I wasn't interested in those.

Weird, Google says it's $329+.