Will sales of the Scorpio take a hit?

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manny10032 said:

With PS4 PRO literally 59 days away and Sony's ability to under cut the price of the PRO $50-100 in a year, do you think the Scorpio will take a hit in sales?

Sony isn't dropping the price of the Pro $100 in one year.  $50, plausible, if not guaranteed.
 They are keeping PS4 Slim on the market for low price point market.

Swordmasterman said:

Why would a company take loss on a product that is intended for the "high end user". This don't make sense for me.
 If they are willing to take a loss, this means that the Scorpio is a next gen Xbox instead of an upgraded version of the Xbox One.

Scorpio is the next gen of Xbox, it is not retaining same basic architecture as Xbone, e.g. memory, and certainly CPU will change as well>
Sony's keeping all those elements the same with simple upclock meant optimization target for devs was really just one platform.
Xbone's ESRAM approach was a dud, and they aren't going to hamstring themselves by sticking to it... Meaning it will be a new platform.

Hiku said:

barneystinson69 said:

It'll be no more than $399. I'll keep to that till the price is released.

I doubt it, for two reasons. Because Spencer said it's a "premium console" and "It's going to be a premium price".
That to me does not sound like the standard $399.

Exactly.  MS themself loudly announced "premium price".  To then claim it is the same price as standard console is absurd.
Why would MS scare away price-conscious consumers with "premium price" talk, if they didn't plan on charging more?
If we aren't believing MS, then there isn't much to talk about re: Scorpio to begin with.

Intrinsic said:

And the Zen thing isnt even about how relevant it is. It's that they can't even if they wanted to. AMD announced or said something along the lines of not taking custom orders for Zen till 2018. So not a chance it's even going to find its way in a custom APU next year. 

Right, this isn't about price/peformance, Zen just is not available if they want to launch 2017.  Puma+ certainly looks likely, being available,
and being good on price/performance benefit, especially considering Jaguar would need even higher upclock to try to compete, impacting heat + cost.
Since they're breaking Xbone architecture with memory change, MS has no reason to stick with Jaguar (unlike Sony w/ PS4Pro, which wasn't for $ reasons), 
so I would expect Puma+ to be likely... Especially understanding that MS will aim to be able to update Scorpio like Sony did with PS4og/Pro,
retaining Jaguar for Scorpio would just create either perforance penalty or developer hassle in future, when Sony's post-Pro competition will likely go Zen.

JRPGfan said:

449-499$ is my guess (new bigger cpu/gpu inside, 4k blu-ray drive,bigger power unit, bigger cooling unit, bigger box.. ect)
And it ll go up against a 349$ (by then) PS4 pro. 
Theres gonna be a 100-150$ differnce in price between the two, when the scorpio launches.

Agreed.  And that is not even going with "high end spec" as posters like Pemalite would like to see.

Bandorr said:

A common theme coming up lately. Person a says "A lot of people have been saying/doing this".  Person B "Who?"  Person A ".....".
People trying to play the victim but when called out on it suddenly don't have an answer when asked about it.

Kerotan said:

zero129 said:

Sure your right maybe not everyone is changing their opinion on the matter but you, Karton, Ruler etc. I have no problem with pointing out how you guys opinions change a lot in line with Sony's. You where in threads praising Sony when their games where 1080P and the xb1 version was 900P.  So yes for you and "some" (But not all) other sony fans power was a a factor, but now it no longer matters.

Hey buddy,  I'd appreciate if you stopped calling me out on the site like this. I don't like people making things Personal.  If you want to take digs at me just pm me.  thanks. 

CGI-Quality said:

* Everyone *
Please do not make things personal, "call people out" (especially if they aren't even in the topic), or try to bait users into responding.

This is ridiculous.  There is no personal attacks here on somebody's character.  Posters should be able to factually refer to others' statements.
If we specifically cite Eurogamer, etc, why not specific posters?  If one expects to be taken seriously, one's post history should be able to be referenced.
I guess some people don't have the expectation to be taken seriously, but I don't see why the community discussion should be lowered to that level.
If somebody makes a claim, then that claim should be able to be responded to, and follow up from original poster is reasonable to be expected/solicited.
If you don't like that, don't post.