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The upscaling tech did seem very impressive. As DF said, the PS4Pro GPU is punching above its weight class.



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A lot of money to spend on a system that play all the same games as the system i already have, only prettier and prettier has never made games better



Teeqoz said:
The upscaling tech did seem very impressive. As DF said, the PS4Pro GPU is punching above its weight class.

Isn't this similar to the techniques MS used on the XBox One and took a lot of shit for? 

I seem to recall a lot of "the feel of 1080p" jokes. 

I don't doubt that it looks better than 1080p, but this is not native 4K. 

I think Sony should have just waited to release this and gotten a proper upgrade and 4K Blu-Ray and all that so that it was a proper 4K device, as is, it's very compromised, and really what's the point? PS4 Slim was going to do fine this holiday season. There was no urgent need to release this. 



Soundwave said:
Teeqoz said:
The upscaling tech did seem very impressive. As DF said, the PS4Pro GPU is punching above its weight class.

Isn't this similar to the techniques MS used on the XBox One and took a lot of shit for? 

I seem to recall a lot of "the feel of 1080p" jokes. 

I don't doubt that it looks better than 1080p, but this is not native 4K. 

I think Sony should have just waited to release this and gotten a proper upgrade and 4K Blu-Ray and all that so that it was a proper 4K device, as is, it's very compromised, and really what's the point? PS4 Slim was going to do fine this holiday season. There was no urgent need to release this. 

the only GPUs that can play 4K native at solid framerates without sacficing graphical detail are the GTX 1080 and Titan X... a 800 dollar and 1000+ GPU. Its going to be 2-3 years before 4K GPUs are in the mass market range (150-250). By that point they would have just waited til PS5. 

For instance I just picked up a RX 480 8 GB, its a 250 dollar GPU that kills it at 1080, can do 1440p in many games, but not the newest. Next year we may see a true 1440p card come down into the 200s (1070 is the 1440p card this gen of GPUs, nails 1440p, can do 4k, but only if you are willing to sacrifice other things). So like I said it will be a minimum of 2 years probably 3 years before we see 4K cards in the 200 dollar range. We still need to get 1440p cards there... 



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Soundwave said:
Teeqoz said:
The upscaling tech did seem very impressive. As DF said, the PS4Pro GPU is punching above its weight class.

Isn't this similar to the techniques MS used on the XBox One and took a lot of shit for? 

I seem to recall a lot of "the feel of 1080p" jokes. 

I don't doubt that it looks better than 1080p, but this is not native 4K. 

I think Sony should have just waited to release this and gotten a proper upgrade and 4K Blu-Ray and all that so that it was a proper 4K device, as is, it's very compromised, and really what's the point? PS4 Slim was going to do fine this holiday season. There was no urgent need to release this. 

Despite this being the "Pro", its clear sony wanted a mass market $399 device. Native 4k (8TFlops) isn't happening at that pricepoint til 2018 at which point they might aswell just focus on PS5 which would probably release 2 years later. 

Plenty of people will want this to make use of their 4K and this does that. From the sounds of it 4k mode is running at resolutions higher than 1080p for many games and for those without 4k, you get an improved gaming experiences for the next 4 years. They could have thrown in a 4k Blu-ray drive but otherwise this looks like the right system for their ambitions.

Maybe Scorpio will offer what you were hoping from Sony. Even then I think Native 4k will quickly be forgotten once developers have the freedom to drop PS4/Xbox One from their minimum requirements. I can't see them putting 3/4 of a systems GPU towards resolution alone. Not when custom configurations/upscalling can still offer a great display that makes use of your 4k TV.



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Here's a better preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ta1OETqR5Y



Soundwave said:
Teeqoz said:
The upscaling tech did seem very impressive. As DF said, the PS4Pro GPU is punching above its weight class.

Isn't this similar to the techniques MS used on the XBox One and took a lot of shit for? 

I seem to recall a lot of "the feel of 1080p" jokes. 

I don't doubt that it looks better than 1080p, but this is not native 4K. 

I think Sony should have just waited to release this and gotten a proper upgrade and 4K Blu-Ray and all that so that it was a proper 4K device, as is, it's very compromised, and really what's the point? PS4 Slim was going to do fine this holiday season. There was no urgent need to release this. 

The techniques aren't similar, no, but the goal is the same (to make a lower rez image look higher rez). However due to the more advanced upscaling techniques employed here, the result is a bigger improvement, if I'm reading this DF article correctly.

As for how much shit Microsoft took, I don't know. I wasn't active at the start of the gen, but when I signed up, in DF articles, I saw just as much "900p, 1080p, whatever, the difference between 900p upscaled to 1080p and native 1080p really isn't *that* big" (from all fanbases) as I saw PS fans gloating over 1080p.



Damage control much... pseudo/upscaled 4K is the bottom line!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n29CicBxZuw

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Game_God said:
Damage control much... pseudo/upscaled 4K is the bottom line!!!

There's really no need for comments like this. If you believe their argument is founded in a desire to "damage control", you should have no problem deconstructing it. Personally, i see nothing wrong with what they've said (and everything here is consistent with opinions they've expressed about both the PS4 and X1 in the past). They're not claiming it does something it doesn't, just that what it does is worthwhile, and above what they'd expected.

Don't get me wrong, i'd have liked the Pro to be stronger (i don't mind paying more), but considering the price and release date, it seems like a very capable system.



Zekkyou said:
Game_God said:
Damage control much... pseudo/upscaled 4K is the bottom line!!!

There's really no need for comments like this. If you believe their argument is founded in a desire to "damage control", you should have no problem deconstructing it. Personally, i see nothing wrong with what they've said (and everything here is consistent with opinions they've expressed about both the PS4 and X1 in the past). They're not claiming it does something it doesn't, just that what it does is worthwhile, and above what they'd expected.

Don't get me wrong, i'd have liked the Pro to be stronger (i don't mind paying more), but considering the price and release date, it seems like a very capable system.

Don't tell me someone reported me!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n29CicBxZuw

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