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MS tried to turn the tide this generation, throwing around big words to mask their commercial failure (after all the Xone should have been the death stab for Sony in the console market). They failed. Miserably. They might try whatever they want but generation will still go on at least for the next one. They are not the ones who dictate this. Sony is, and until they maintain their current approach, they will do so in the foreseeable future.



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All PlayStation systems are really just "upgrades" anyway. No matter what they end up calling it, it's always just the same system with more power. I don't understand the difference honestly. But if it gets people excited to call something a "new generation" then by all means, go for it. But for me, generations ended a while ago.



Intrinsic said:
I still think we are leaning towards a generationless system. But not as black amd white as most take it. I see t more as having a lot of crossovers.

When the PS5 is released, and games released for it are also playable on the PS4p then that's pretty much a generation-less model.

The basis of my argument is this, as long as it's possible to run ps5 games on the PS4 in some form or capacity, then it would be done.And if it's done, then that's a generationless transition. Unless of course you all believe that it would just be impossible to run PS5 games on a PS4.....

And to that I'll ask this, can anyone show me a game on the PS4/XB1 that couldn't be made on the PS360? even if it meant dialing its IQ down, cutting back on objects and npcs and rez to 5NPCs

The reason why making games across generations is not done isn't really because they 7th gen consoles can't handle them (in some shape or form) but because the architectures are so different that it would be just too much work. But if the 9th gen consoles are also x86 based.... then there really is no reason why games can't be made across generations.

What kind of logic is that?  Any game made now could be done even on a PS1 if you dialed the IQ, objects, NPCs and rez.  Hell, if you wanted to make the game in simplified 3D, you could do it on a SNES.  The point of a generation is to move forward in tech, in graphics.  Now, if Sony makes it so you can pop in any PS5 disc into a PS4 and play a downgraded version of said game, then yea, generations are done.  However, I HIGHLY doubt they are going to do so.  Games will be multi-gen at the beginning, as they always are, but that's about it.

Paperboy_J said:
All PlayStation systems are really just "upgrades" anyway. No matter what they end up calling it, it's always just the same system with more power. I don't understand the difference honestly. But if it gets people excited to call something a "new generation" then by all means, go for it. But for me, generations ended a while ago.

Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense.  If generations ended for you, then there never was such a thing as a generation of consoles to you.  Which is completely off, regardless of your reason.



Azuren said:
barneystinson69 said:

Isn't the PS4 Pro just another sign of that generationless market? Lol.

No because it's clearly a PS4 playing the same games. 

...That's what a generationless market is.

OP and I got totally different impressions.



spemanig said:
Azuren said:

No because it's clearly a PS4 playing the same games. 

...That's what a generationless market is.

OP and I got totally different impressions.

So, a PS4 playing PS4 games is generationless?  I guess we've been generationless from the start.



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barneystinson69 said:
Azuren said:

No because it's clearly a PS4 playing the same games. 

My idiot self has come out again. Ignore what I've said before...

Idiot self? Does that mean the Patrick avatar is coming back?



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spemanig said:
Azuren said:

No because it's clearly a PS4 playing the same games. 

...That's what a generationless market is.

OP and I got totally different impressions.

Well, it would be if they didn't clearly imply a next generation beyond PS4 Pro.



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Sony can choose to define it however they want, but its clear we are in a generational-less market now.

There is not supposed to be a new model of hardware every 3 years with significantly more power. That's not a traditional video game cycle, if that is the new normal (and MS pushes it even further with upgradable hardware on top of that) ... we are definitely in a new era that's more akin to PC gaming.

There was no 500 GFLOP PS3 Pro released in 2009 or Ultra Super Duper NES released in 1993, if that is the new normal, than that is effectively embracing a model that is more akin to smartphone or PC upgrade cycles, rendering the entire "when you buy this console, it's good as your main console for the next 5-6 years" stuff moot. 

Mark my words too, it won't be long before PS4/XB1 "vanilla" owners start to realize they're getting the shitty version of a lot of games. Final Fantasy XV will likely be the first of many. 



Soundwave said:

Sony can choose to define it however they want, but its clear we are in a generational-less market now.

There is not supposed to be a new model of hardware every 3 years with significantly more power. That's not a traditional video game cycle, if that is the new normal (and MS pushes it even further with upgradable hardware on top of that) ... we are definitely in a new era that's more akin to PC gaming.

Until the next generation shows up.



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

Sony can choose to define it however they want, but its clear we are in a generational-less market now.

There is not supposed to be a new model of hardware every 3 years with significantly more power. That's not a traditional video game cycle, if that is the new normal (and MS pushes it even further with upgradable hardware on top of that) ... we are definitely in a new era that's more akin to PC gaming.

Until the next generation shows up.

And what if Sony makes PS4 Ultra Pro with 10 TFLOP? 

The other issue here is with 3 year cycles there is not going to be some radically massive leap in processor technology available to these companies ... "PS5" will likely be a 3-4x leap over what the Pro is, that's not going to feel like some "new generation". There's only a finite amount of improvement AMD or Nvidia can give any of these companies in that small of a period of time. 

It's like going to be like smartphones, I bet a lot of people will even skip the PS5 now and wait for PS5 Pro, just like many people are going to skip the iPhone 7 for the 7S or even the iPhone 8. 

The days of going from a PS2 to PS3 or PS1 to PS2 and going "holy shit! this is a huge generation leap" are likely dead and gone.