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nanzano said:
SWORDF1SH said:

And then we had somebody say 1M in US alone. We shouldn't be making wild predictions off of a few days of data. 

Here is how I made my obvious prediction: NPD November+Decemmber 2015: 1.539K+1.582K=3121K.

we know that the trend show a ps4 selling better than last year with the same price. So if we assume the ps4 sells 3Million in the Us this year, the slim (the old one will probably be dead by november) will need to sell more than twice the amound of ps4 pro to make my prediction wrong, And the pre-order trend is showing the complete opposite.

And also Sony would be stupid to push the ps4 slim sale over the Pro, other wise they would have hurry to make sure it release in the holliday season, the price of the ps4 pro beeing unly 50$ higher than the 1TB slim simply prove that it is the console they will push.  And I don't think they will make the same mistake with the ps4 launch shortages( which is imo the only argument that could make it sell bad).

so I predict 1Mill+ in the us but 2Mill isn't out of the range since it will have a launch boost lol.

All I'm going to say is that you're getting a little carried away especially with the 2M figure based on a few days of data. I'm not saying it's impossible but my guess is Sony will have more room for a Slim price cut hence the Slim being at the forefront of the holiday deals promotion.

I also expect the Slim to get the Watchdog and CoD bundles but I'm not too sure about that but since the Standalone Pro is already up for preorder at $400 it looks like no bundles, if they do they will probably slap another $50 onto the price tag.

Also releasing the Pro during the holiday and giving it a price cut a few weeks later would be extremely shady of Sony, another reason why the Slim will get price cut and deals ahead of the Pro. 



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SWORDF1SH said:
nanzano said:

Here is how I made my obvious prediction: NPD November+Decemmber 2015: 1.539K+1.582K=3121K.

we know that the trend show a ps4 selling better than last year with the same price. So if we assume the ps4 sells 3Million in the Us this year, the slim (the old one will probably be dead by november) will need to sell more than twice the amound of ps4 pro to make my prediction wrong, And the pre-order trend is showing the complete opposite.

And also Sony would be stupid to push the ps4 slim sale over the Pro, other wise they would have hurry to make sure it release in the holliday season, the price of the ps4 pro beeing unly 50$ higher than the 1TB slim simply prove that it is the console they will push.  And I don't think they will make the same mistake with the ps4 launch shortages( which is imo the only argument that could make it sell bad).

so I predict 1Mill+ in the us but 2Mill isn't out of the range since it will have a launch boost lol.

All I'm going to say is that you're getting a little carried away especially with the 2M figure based on a few days of data. I'm not saying it's impossible but my guess is Sony will have more room for a Slim price cut hence the Slim being at the forefront of the holiday deals promotion.

I also expect the Slim to get the Watchdog and CoD bundles but I'm not too sure about that but since the Standalone Pro is already up for preorder at $400 it looks like no bundles, if they do they will probably slap another $50 onto the price tag.

Also releasing the Pro during the holiday and giving it a price cut a few weeks later would be extremely shady of Sony, another reason why the Slim will get price cut and deals ahead of the Pro. 

Well 2Mill isn't my prediction, I just say it is not impossible :D

I understand your argument but I still don't see (not based on the pre-order data) why someone who doesn't have a ps4 wouldn't spend 50$ more to get the superior experience. Even Japanese who usually don't care about huge graphics games are going crasy with  pro pre-orders(outselling  the persona 5 bundle).  imo  Bundles only have a huge impact when it comes to the same HW with different options. I simply don't see how the slim will sell more than the Pro, even the "internet" when downplaying the pro says it is good for those who dooesn't have a ps4 now. Then again the only reason it might sell less is a shortage imo, and the ps4(all combined) will probably sell more than last year's 3Mill.

If sony hasen't released those bundles in the us yet , they probably want to push the pro more. All Im saying is regarding this holliday season with gifts and stuff, and the pro as a Gift sounds 10 times better than the slim as a gift; things might change after the holliday season. 



                                               

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nanzano said:

Well 2Mill isn't my prediction, I just say it is not impossible :D

I understand your argument but I still don't see (not based on the pre-order data) why someone who doesn't have a ps4 wouldn't spend 50$ more to get the superior experience. Even Japanese who usually don't care about huge graphics games are going crasy with  pro pre-orders(outselling  the persona 5 bundle).  imo  Bundles only have a huge impact when it comes to the same HW with different options. I simply don't see how the slim will sell more than the Pro, even the "internet" when downplaying the pro says it is good for those who dooesn't have a ps4 now. Then again the only reason it might sell less is a shortage imo, and the ps4(all combined) will probably sell more than last year's 3Mill.

If sony hasen't released those bundles in the us yet , they probably want to push the pro more. All Im saying is regarding this holliday season with gifts and stuff, and the pro as a Gift sounds 10 times better than the slim as a gift; things might change after the holliday season. 

I agree and not saying it's not popossible. Having a relatively small price difference should help the Pro and if Sony push both consoles equally then the Pro will do good numbers.

Sony will probably cut the price of the Slim to 250 so 150 price gap plus a free game should move a lot more slims than pros if Sony sticks to the 400 price tag for the Pro. I don't see Sony dropping the price of the so soon after it launches in November.



CGI-Quality said:
xl-klaudkil said:
Soo fact is,people where waiting for a 4k ish game console?, if you look at the Internet it seems everyone whas against the system yet,its selling like hot cakes.

Because as many reasonable people tried to tell others, a small minority won't dictate the outcome of the situation.

Exactly. ^^

A console that is x2 better performance of their current console and at the same price they purchased their original PS4, if you like the Ps4 and want better upgraded graphics/FPS its a no brainer that its going to appeal. 

There are obvious people on the internet complaining about UHD, but I predict very few care in the real world, i.e the world of games and not those who want to be movie enthusiasts and pay £22 per movie... no thanks.



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GribbleGrunger said:
SWORDF1SH said:
Please keep the Pro predictions on a leash, we'll only hear downplaying if it fails to hit your lofty targets. I can see the comments now "hahaha 950k and 'a lot of people' were predicting over 1M hahaha".

This is the statement I'm answering:

'Ps4 pro will sell 1mill ww this year.
Mark my words'

Trust me, it's going to sell a hell of a lot more than 1m 'this year', 'Worldwide'.

USA = Worldwide.



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SWORDF1SH said:
nanzano said:

Well 2Mill isn't my prediction, I just say it is not impossible :D

I understand your argument but I still don't see (not based on the pre-order data) why someone who doesn't have a ps4 wouldn't spend 50$ more to get the superior experience. Even Japanese who usually don't care about huge graphics games are going crasy with  pro pre-orders(outselling  the persona 5 bundle).  imo  Bundles only have a huge impact when it comes to the same HW with different options. I simply don't see how the slim will sell more than the Pro, even the "internet" when downplaying the pro says it is good for those who dooesn't have a ps4 now. Then again the only reason it might sell less is a shortage imo, and the ps4(all combined) will probably sell more than last year's 3Mill.

If sony hasen't released those bundles in the us yet , they probably want to push the pro more. All Im saying is regarding this holliday season with gifts and stuff, and the pro as a Gift sounds 10 times better than the slim as a gift; things might change after the holliday season. 

I agree and not saying it's not popossible. Having a relatively small price difference should help the Pro and if Sony push both consoles equally then the Pro will do good numbers.

Sony will probably cut the price of the Slim to 250 so 150 price gap plus a free game should move a lot more slims than pros if Sony sticks to the 400 price tag for the Pro. I don't see Sony dropping the price of the so soon after it launches in November.

I think that a lot of people won't care about the power difference when one console is 150US$ cheaper than the other and come with a game. Neo won't have exclusive games, is just 2.something x stronger than the PS4.



Swordmasterman said:
SWORDF1SH said:

I agree and not saying it's not popossible. Having a relatively small price difference should help the Pro and if Sony push both consoles equally then the Pro will do good numbers.

Sony will probably cut the price of the Slim to 250 so 150 price gap plus a free game should move a lot more slims than pros if Sony sticks to the 400 price tag for the Pro. I don't see Sony dropping the price of the so soon after it launches in November.

I think that a lot of people won't care about the power difference when one console is 150US$ cheaper than the other and come with a game. Neo won't have exclusive games, is just 2.something x stronger than the PS4.

Pre orders around  the world say something  different. 



WebMasterFlex said:

Too bad there isn't an Europe Amazon.

There is Amazon for UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy ecc



Ryng_Tolu said:
WebMasterFlex said:

Too bad there isn't an Europe Amazon.

There is Amazon for UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy ecc

Any links to their bestsellers? 



Kerotan said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

There is Amazon for UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy ecc

Any links to their bestsellers? 

Hourlies:

UK: https://www.amazon.co.uk/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_tab_t_bs#1
Germany: https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0
France: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1
Spain: https://www.amazon.es/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_v_1
Italy: https://www.amazon.it/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_dp_ts_vg_1

Monthlies:

Germany: https://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/2016-09/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_videogames_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=1
France: https://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/2016-09/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_videogames_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=1
Can't find the others