The bold would have been amazing. Motorstorm was great. I would have been very interested in seeing what they could have done with a more arcade design than Driveclub, which had no identity imho.

Dead on about GT, as well. But Sony won't change anything, because whenever PD finally releases a new entry it will sell millions and millions based on name alone and Sony will be to busy cashing checks to give a shit. It's baffling how it takes them so long to release new entries when they see such little innovation and improvement to core gameplay issues and the quality has certainly suffered.

Forza never grabbed me like Gran Turismo can. GT has a lot more personality with the oddball cars and much greater variety in disciplines and tracks. Much better 'fantasy' tracks too, I never cared for the non real world tracks in Forza. In GT5 you could go rrom cart racing on the Nordschleife to taking a Volkswagen Bus out in the mountains and snow to F1 races in London or Nascar rallying, GT5 simply never got old.

GT6 should have been a cross gen release, stupid stupid move. I guess the architecture of ps3 and ps4 were too different to spend time on that. GT6 was great anyway, many more dynamic time and weather races, great new tracks, although it lost out on endurance races, procedurally generated rally stages and no track editor. GT Sport seems to go further backwards by ditching dynamic time and weather :/

Forza Horizon is a lot of fun, better than Forza imo. I don't want GT to dilute itself to add an open world companion. It doesn't fit GTs style at all. GT is all about shaving of ms on prefectly crafted tracks, not about kudos, manufacturer afinity and other rpg like nonsense.

I'll give GT Sport the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully they've vastly improved the online experience and made a real effort with psvr. It's the only game I want to play online. GT5/GT6 online was tons of fun, much better audience than Forza. Ofcourse it helped a lot to have hosts moderating their lobbies. So much nicer to race with people that slow down to let you pass after they screw up and acidentally hit you.

What are you talking about? I didnt say that GT dropped in quality level.

You totally missed the point. The lack of games is diluting the brand. That was my point, that is what i was talking about. And The series took a huge hit in sales (more than 50%!), if it takes the same for the next entry guess what? It sells about as much as forza, if not less.

The forza's sold about 4-5m on the 360 wich is where the comparable GT6 was. So, they arent that different in size atm and THAT is the problem. GT should be bigger than that. Stop pretending there isn't a problem. There obviously is.

I like GT better aswell. But we have to look at the sales numbers and realise that there is obviously a problem that led at a huge sales drop. I don't think just cause the PS4 came out shortly after can be pointed as an issue but the fact that the competition was bringing a next gen entry already.

My theory is that competition+slow development process is diluting the GT brand in the mind of consumers. In the time of GT3... GT was HUGE. IT has fallen quite alot from grace. That is not normal. Something happened.

Ok, so your dilluting is talking about interest. Ok.

The series dropped a lot in sales, but that in nowhere suggests those were lost sales to Forza.

Curiously you compare the Forza that sold 5M to the only GT that dropped in sales around that in trying to push a point that can't be validated.

I'll say there is a problem when GT7 fails to get near 10M. Not before.

About lack of releases, from PS1 to PS3 there were 2 mainline GTs per gen. While GT3 and GT5 got prologues. Since gen were bigger and the architeture were more complicated it took more time to have a GT on it.

I would love they improve the sice of GT team and had deliver GT7 already. But I preffer it stays a 1-2 games per gen then a yearly franchise. What is the point in having cosmetic changes every year? This isn't Fifa for plantel changes. People complain about a lot of games having yearly entries, but then you asks for a yearly GT. Crazy stuff

Perhaps online happened. I do recall many people were happy playing GT5 online instead of going over to GT6. There was as much time between GT3 A-spec and GT4 as between GT5 and GT6, both 3 years apart. GT5 however got a lot of support and was a huge game already. Sure GT6 added 200 more premium cars and as many new tracks as in the release version of Forza 5, yet with so much content already and a big active online community in GT5, why upgrade.

As for the more casuals players, releasing GT6 in December after the ps4 release was a bad idea. There wasn't much hype around it, all focus was on ps4. Plus there was confusion whether it would also release on ps4 or not, or whether a ps4 GT version would be coming soon.

Then there's the overall decline in interest in the racing genre. Shooters have taken over, racers simply don't sell very well anymore in general. Even the everlasting NFS series seems to have thrown in the towel.

Snoy's marketing department has a big job ahead of them with GT Sport.

I know what you said, I was just pointing out the Forza sim games could be annual. I was pointing a sim one year and open world the other helps prevent fatigue.

It pointless to discuss staff, we don't know how many people actually work on these games. But I assume more people work on Forza for annual releases.

Its possible multiple Forza games have the same budget as a single GT game. Polyphony spends so much time making a single game that hits $20 after a year. The Forza games can generate more revenue having a new $60 every year with DLC.

At the time of FM 4 or 5 they said they had a 300 people team, while on GT 5 and 6 PD said their team were 100 people, with increased staff on final stages. But considering similar scope they shouldn't have a too different budget.

You may say the game hit 20 after a year, yet GT5 sold likely 8M on first year and GT6 3M. And seeing Forza hype and all in Xbox I'm hardly pressed to believe it have a bigger revenue, much less a bigger profit with the 2 games alternating strategy. But I do agree that is the best they can get.

People like a game with good gameplay and a lot of content.

I'm certain Forza has generated more revenue than GT since 2013. Because Forza has had a new release every year that sold over a million a year with DLC. Profit though, who knows.