This is what happens when developers aim for "broader demographics" and the main reason why I absolutely hated the 7th gen, where this philosophy grew into something real.

Yep Fallout NV + fallout 3 > fallout 4.
Its just dumbed down too much, its gone so far from its RPG roots.

Oh but I was talking about the real old ones, I agree that Fallout 3 and New Vegas are better than 4 in many aspects, but I don't think Fallout 4 has ruined anything.

Fallout 4 was a blast. Much better locations, a lot more content, and superior game-play to FO3/FO:NV. FO:NV had a better main story but wasn't as good a game in most other ways.

Lots of tiny things go either way. For instance, I liked the lever action rifles in FO:NV better but FO4 did a much better job with attachments.

Overall, FO4 is the best game of the three, all things considered. There are dozens and dozens of improvements.

Of course, I'm someone who likes to explore every part of these games and I put hundreds of hours into them. Someone who runs through them in 40 hours like they're standard shooters might think otherwise.

I was specifically talking about the D.I.C.E Awards. Guess I shouls have mentioned that lol. That is a nice statistic though.

Sorry I didn't play Fallout 1 or 2. But between Fallout 3, NV and Fallout 4, I think Fallout 4 is the best.

It comes down to freedom, open world, gameplay. I love RPGs, but I do not play Fallout games for old RPG stuff. To me Fallout 4 has the best gameplay and open world out of the three.

When it comes to JRPGs I don't value open world and freedom as much, but I still love them for different values.

It seems playing Fallout 2 dampened your expectations for the Fallout franchise, just as Morrowind makes me dislike Skyrim.

I like this post.

I can't speak about F4 since I haven't played it but being a big fan of the franchise and having played the originals, I completely agree that NV is better than F3 in every way. To me, the problem is that Bethesda seems to be TOO heavy handed with morality in their games. I have no issue with a game giving you the choice to be an evil bastard or a saint, but I do tend to enjoy when the writers are a bit more subtle about it, when it's hard to say with certainty which is the "right choice".

NV has several endings that have a great degree of subtlety in their writing so the "right choice" is really up to you.

I also wanna comment that the ending for F3 is an absolute mess. The fact that the game forces you to die, even with a companion that can resist radiation with no issue!, is just insulting to anyone who is actually paying attention. They were too focused on making a "tragic finale" to realize the massive plot hole staring them in the face. Making you buy a DLC to be able to take the ONLY reasonable choice is also a big slap in the face. Screw Bethesda.

I completed and loved Fallout 3. Any of the later games... Played for like an hour or two and just got bored.

I probably found Fallout 3 so enjoyable probably because it was so fresh at the time, but boy did it age quickly though.

But it let me build this

Wait, was there some kind of urgent struggle going on?

New Vegas was the best imo. I did complete all the story paths in Fallout 4 yet none really let me play it the way I wanted to. New Vegas was far more satisfying story wise. The environmental stories plus building stuff saved Fallout 4. Missions were just a means to collect materials while exploring the environment. Great world building, yet missions were shoot, loot, trade for scrap to build with...

Gathering the huge amount of copper needed to power my Totoro sign kept me going for half the game lol


In the end it was more fun than the witcher 3, which I ended with a huge bank account and nothing to do with it. In F4 I build several towns with all those dead bodies!