John19 said:
GOWTLOZ said:
No what you said is cherry picking.
I knew you would bring that up, but GTA V on PS4 was a year old port of the game with less changes to the original than Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby which were full remakes.
Its not a new gen GTA game and a late port but has sold close to a new gen Pokemon game.
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I'm just going to end this here because I don't want to derail the thread any further since it's about Sony/Microsoft first party, but GTA V was still only 1 year old when it came out on PS4, and it also had the benefit of coming out one year before Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. And yes, Pokemon X and Y also came out one year before GTA V on PS4, but they didn't release for the holiday, and it had Zelda one month later that did release for the holiday.
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The fact that its a year old port of a game that already sold millions and still sold well as a port shows how strong teh brand is. Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby were remakes of games that featured a compleely new way of experiencing them yet didn't sell as well.
Also GTA V on PS4 was released at the same time as Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby.
Btw GTA V on PS4 released the same day as Dragon Age Inquisition and Far Cry 4, two new games, a week after Assassin's Creed Unity and around the same time as COD AW, so it had way more competition than Pokemon X and Y. And all these are big franchises, Far Cry 4 sold 9 million, COD is huge and Dragon Age Inquisition and Assassin's Creed Unity also sold millions of units. Pokemon X and Y are also completely new games.
Neodegenerate said:
Aeolus451 said:
I disagree with every bit of that. A movie or book or show for example could be cultural phenomenon. It only needs to have widespread popularity to really fit the definition of it. I'm not debating like the other guy which IP is a bigger cultural phenomenon but GTA is definitely a cultural phenomenon. Gaming is popular worldwide and GTA is one of the most popular IPs in gaming. An entire genre was born just to mimic it. I've seen news reports about how a cop learned a car chase move to knock a getaway car off the road from a gta game. Most americans know of that game series and most people in any country where gaming is a popular know of GTA.
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And the fact that you have a pre-requisite like this shows that it isn't a cultural phenomenon.
Superman, was a cultural phenomenon. He transcended comic books and became a symbol known by virtually everyone on the planet regardless of where they lived or how they consumed entertainment.
Pokemon Go, even if you don't have a smartphone, even if you have NEVER owned a video game system, is something that you have most likely heard of at length in the past week. That is a cultural phenomenon.
GTA is mostly known outside of video game circles as that game with prostitutes and cursing that those kids play on those console things. That's all. It's a 24 hour news cycle item when it comes out because of minor controversy. That is not a cultural phenomenon.
Also, your whole spawning a genre argument means that something like League of Legends or whatever the first MOBA was is a cultural phenomenon, which again, it isn't.
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That's a whole lot of genrealisation and downplaying, without any real proof. GTA like Pokemon is known to have an audience of all age groups, and prostitutes and all may have been controversial at one time, but there is no controversy on them in GTA since the HD consoles came out last gen.
SpokenTruth said:
Tell me again how well the GTA games are doing on iOS and Android again?
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GTA games on phones are paid apps, and they are ports of decade old games not games made exclusively for phones that are also free.
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