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kodeindahjunk on 05 July 2016
Pemalite said:
BasilZero said:

 

Damn son.

Are you one of my customers who make billions of dollars but get a hissy fit when their network goes down?!

 

one of the best posts in the thread regardless

 

But about the pinging on Skype thing....am I the only one on VGChartz that knows a "Sign off/out" option is available on different sites/applications? Still cant believe people requested bans simply because they cannot log off l0l.

Not only that. But you get pinged on consoles these days too. Messages, Unlocked Achievements, Updates/Downloads, On the Xbox One I even get pings when my Extrenal HDD is ready.... You name it.
Perhaps he didn't realise you could right-click Skype in his system tray and click on "Quit"?

Yes, i know can sign off from Skype. But signing off apps doesn't make PC less stressful. When i am looking at PC, i feel like i am working. I feel like emails from angry clients are coming at me. I also get more emails when i turn off my Skype during my working hours, so i usually leave my workstation online whenever i want to relax.

Now i don't go outside with iphone, ipad, or android. I used to get shocks from Skype pings when i was outside. LoL....



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kyprime on 05 July 2016
Pemalite said:
kyprime said:

keep dreaming buddy

Ever heard of Emulation? Guess not.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

So I guess Phil spencer was wrong when he said you will need a 4K tv if you want to use a Scorpio. That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard From Phil. If the console is anything like the 360 or the Xbox one its scalable to 4K just like the other consoles were scalable for their time period.No wonder he caused a media circus just talking about it. They are literally saying the Scorpio marketing has cannibalized the S right out of the reveal and it doesn't even come out for a year. We will see how that turns out. Both will be 4K ready. Not only that but Microsoft will need the power for the vr which is one of the primary reasons why they followed Sony on the upgraded console. Sony has to have a console that can handle their vr as well as stop the few console gamers from upgrading to PC. Microsoft has zero reasons to stop them. Two obviously opposite reasons for an upgraded console. They will not allow themselves to be one upped again. Sony has already consulted with third party about scaling the console versions based on the hardware. Some devs were pissed (bioware) and some liked the idea (Bethesda). This means devs will control how far future games are scaled on consoles.

There *are* other resolutions besides 1080P and 4K.

Scorpio and Neo will rely on upscaling to achieve 4k output though, but right now, other than possibly the upcoming Vega... AMD does not really have any viable single cost-efficient 4k gaming capable chip... And let's face it, Vega will be to big, to expensive for a console anyway.

Lawlight said:

Wrong. Just checked the price of Dark Souls 3 and it's the same on PC and consoles, for example. Also, Uncharted 4 on PC? Yeah, I don't think so.

One more thing, don't confuse the number of people who installed Steam with users who actively buy and play games.


If you only looked on Steam. Then you are doing it wrong. On PC there is always a sale, somewhere.
Anyone who buys a game on PC that isn't discounted is... To be blunt. Silly.
And the PC has more stores that compete with each other.

And please, provide me links of the places you compared the prices with.

Uncharted 4 will come to PC, whether you like it or not, whether Naughty Dog likes it or not and whether Sony likes it or not. It will happen. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when". And it will look better than what the PS4 could achieve too.

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DonFerrari on 05 July 2016
Pemalite said:
DonFerrari said:

Just don't forget that when UC4 is playable on PC (and by a very thin minority of gamers) it will already be a lot outdated so it's a silly argument.

It is a silly argument.
But the point still stands that all your console games will end up on PC in the end anyway...
I still have a ton of fun emulating some old games from the SNES/PSX era on my PC, they look and run better than the originals... And sometimes, those older games are better than their sucessors anyway.

Well, in that you are totally right.

But we do buy the HW that have the SW we want to play, and asking someone to wait 10y for it won't work very good. But yes, if you want you can play basically any game ever made if you have the right PC setup.

kodeindahjunk said:

I don't give a crap if you think PC is superior. Nobody cares..

I spent almost €9000 on my workstation, yet i don't game on my PC. My workstation consists of 3 monitors, 1 laptop, 4 androids, 1 ipad, and 1 monster PC. Even the chair on my workstation is far more expensive than my ride.

My cousin took a picture of my workstation, then showed and told everyone that it's his workstation. He thinks that my workstation is cool. lol... What do i think of my workstation? I hate it!! I hate sitting on it, i hate looking at my monitors. I hate it!

Do you know why i don't game on PC? Because it's a stressful environment. I hate when someone is pinging me on Skype. I feel like i want to explode when there are more than 2 persons pinging me on Skype.

People that use PC extensively in their jobs won't be able to relax in front of a PC. Even psychiatrists give advice to stay away from PC when you want to relax.

Screw the PC!!

 

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I feel you brother

lonerism said:
Can someone explain to me what is the point of this thread?

I'm really trying to understand

Gloating

NightDragon83 said:

Another argument in favor of consoles was that at least console owners didn't have to constantly upgrade their hardware to enjoy the latest games, but now with mid-gen hw upgrades like Neo and Scorpio coming there's a possibility that some games wont be playable or certain features won't be fully utilized on the current crop of X1 / PS4 consoles.

Even though there is upgrades, they would be very well defined and easy to pic. Same as someone following iphones or galaxys... you just buy the newer one on the series whenever you feel like instead of choosing piece by piece and assy



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 05 July 2016
Bandorr said:
So much talk about emulation. I surprised people would be so open about pirating content.

I guess that even though VGC is against piracy in the rules, a person could say that they have the original SW on disc so they aren't pirating when emuling.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Qwark on 05 July 2016
Azuren said:
Qwark said:
A good PC provides better performance and therefore a better gaming experience. Still a PC doesn't have the accessibility and AAA exclusive support of consoles so they have a rightful place in the market. Besides the console market has many fans as does pc, without any of the consoles the market wI'll face another crisis since most people above 20 which haven't switched to pc never will.

Gaming experience includes which games you can play and how comfortably you can play them. While PC plays games at higher settings, that's not all of the experience. 

90% of the library which is worthwhile for pc and consoles is shared. For those third party games and console exclusives which also launch om pc, a good pc offers better performance, thus a better experience. But as I listed in my cons the PC exclusives, while there are more they usually don't come close in therms of ambition compared to halo 5, Uncharted 4, zelda etc.

You could hookup your pc to your TV and when you improvise a bit pc gaming can be quite comfortable. But it is in general less accessible than console gaming, but once you are playing you don't bother with that.



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DonFerrari on 05 July 2016
Bandorr said:
DonFerrari said:

I guess that even though VGC is against piracy in the rules, a person could say that they have the original SW on disc so they aren't pirating when emuling.

Yet I doubt anyone talking about "emulating" Uncharted 4 is going to run out and get the game. And since that came is exclusive to the console - the ps4 as well.

That is all kinds of piracy there. That people seem so proud of.

Legally, from what I know... emulating is piracy because it's reverse engineering the system to be duplicated and violating IP on the HW itself and them if you didn't buy the SW itself you are pirating again, but I may be wrong.

 

But I find funny when some guys expend 2000 USD or more on a rig and then pirate a game because they think it's too expensive (at least dirty cheap steam promotion isn't piracy, but I also find it an issue to only buy the games for peanuts and let the developers starve)



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Swordmasterman on 05 July 2016
Pemalite said:
kyprime said:

keep dreaming buddy

Ever heard of Emulation? Guess not.

S.T.A.G.E. said:

So I guess Phil spencer was wrong when he said you will need a 4K tv if you want to use a Scorpio. That's the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard From Phil. If the console is anything like the 360 or the Xbox one its scalable to 4K just like the other consoles were scalable for their time period.No wonder he caused a media circus just talking about it. They are literally saying the Scorpio marketing has cannibalized the S right out of the reveal and it doesn't even come out for a year. We will see how that turns out. Both will be 4K ready. Not only that but Microsoft will need the power for the vr which is one of the primary reasons why they followed Sony on the upgraded console. Sony has to have a console that can handle their vr as well as stop the few console gamers from upgrading to PC. Microsoft has zero reasons to stop them. Two obviously opposite reasons for an upgraded console. They will not allow themselves to be one upped again. Sony has already consulted with third party about scaling the console versions based on the hardware. Some devs were pissed (bioware) and some liked the idea (Bethesda). This means devs will control how far future games are scaled on consoles.

There *are* other resolutions besides 1080P and 4K.

Scorpio and Neo will rely on upscaling to achieve 4k output though, but right now, other than possibly the upcoming Vega... AMD does not really have any viable single cost-efficient 4k gaming capable chip... And let's face it, Vega will be to big, to expensive for a console anyway.

Lawlight said:

Wrong. Just checked the price of Dark Souls 3 and it's the same on PC and consoles, for example. Also, Uncharted 4 on PC? Yeah, I don't think so.

One more thing, don't confuse the number of people who installed Steam with users who actively buy and play games.


If you only looked on Steam. Then you are doing it wrong. On PC there is always a sale, somewhere.
Anyone who buys a game on PC that isn't discounted is... To be blunt. Silly.
And the PC has more stores that compete with each other.

And please, provide me links of the places you compared the prices with.

Uncharted 4 will come to PC, whether you like it or not, whether Naughty Dog likes it or not and whether Sony likes it or not. It will happen. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when". And it will look better than what the PS4 could achieve too.

You mean via Emulation ? This isn't guaranteed since sometimes the emulator run the game worse than the original version.



DonFerrari on 05 July 2016
Bandorr said:
DonFerrari said:

Legally, from what I know... emulating is piracy because it's reverse engineering the system to be duplicated and violating IP on the HW itself and them if you didn't buy the SW itself you are pirating again, but I may be wrong.

Sure. I'm saying that unless you bought the game AND the console - then you are stealing from a company. It doesn't matter if you have the game - if you also don't have the console that is needed to play the game.

Comments like "Uncharted 4 will come to PC, whether you like it or not, whether Naughty Dog likes it or not and whether Sony likes it or not. It will happen. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when". And it will look better than what the PS4 could achieve too."

Someone actually bragging about a game being "stolen" and that there is nothing that the company that made it - or the company that owns that company can do about it.

I think Perma point wasn't of being proud of doing it, just stating that doesn't matter if any of us like it, it will happen.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

0D0 on 05 July 2016
FunFan said:

By denouncing that buying a Xbox One is pointless if Microsoft's exclusives are shared with PC. This stance implies that the only reason to own consoles over PCs is because of exclusives, otherwise this whole backlash against Xbox Play Anywhere would be nonexistent. This stance also ignore price point and consumer friendliness so, It seems, exclusives is what it comes down to, and thats truth for fans of all consoles since Microsoft fans aren't alone when critzicing this move.

How does this proves "console fans" just accepted that PC is the best gaming platform? Well, if you take out exclusives, as Microsoft just did with the Xbox One, then, according to those against this move, there is no point in owning a console such as the Xbox One. In other words, all things being equal it would be pointless to buy a console. Simple.

This doesn't apply to all console gamers, but only to those who are against the prospect of console exclusives being available on PC. Because if there was any real advantage to consoles besides exclusives then... Why be so reprehensive of these exclusives finding their way to PC?

hmmm, perhaps picking up an X1 is pointless, so one more reason to pick up a PS4 instead of PC :)



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Azuren on 05 July 2016
Qwark said:
Azuren said:

Gaming experience includes which games you can play and how comfortably you can play them. While PC plays games at higher settings, that's not all of the experience. 

90% of the library which is worthwhile for pc and consoles is shared. For those third party games and console exclusives which also launch om pc, a good pc offers better performance, thus a better experience. But as I listed in my cons the PC exclusives, while there are more they usually don't come close in therms of ambition compared to halo 5, Uncharted 4, zelda etc.

You could hookup your pc to your TV and when you improvise a bit pc gaming can be quite comfortable. But it is in general less accessible than console gaming, but once you are playing you don't bother with that.

You seem to be of the mindset that I'm defending one point over the other. There's no reason a PC setup can't be as comfortable as a couch setup. However, some of my all-time favorite games (Bloodborne, inFAMOUS, Demon's Souls, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.) are only [legally] available on console. For this reason, I'm actually putting that 10% of games on a fairly high priority. 

 

However, that's just what I like. Other people don't have my same taste in gaming.



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