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kowenicki said:

b  b but this is gaming.  its different.. we dont want gaming run like a business.

#4thegamers

I know this is a sarcastic response, but I'll fancy: who is this "we" that doesn't want gaming "run like a business"? Obviously, you're poking fun at Sony with your hashtag, implying that Sony fans, Playstation gamers, etc. are hypocritical, maybe? Because if it's "#4thegamers", we should allow all games and services to be on all devices? 

If that's the case, why not just have 1 console? Every gamer will have access to all games and all services, and they'll all get to play against each other online. That's very "pro-consumer", right? We all get to play the same games and with our friends? Let's see how well that monopolized gaming experience works out. 



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Swordmasterman said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
How exactly is online gaming open across all platforms going to mean less incentive to buy consoles?

PC gaming has had huge advantages for years and years, and yet every gen hundreds of millions of people buy consoles and billions of games. It's hilarious how suddenly MS is going to get large masses of people to buy expensive gaming PC's or build their own PC's when most people couldn't give a rats ass about either.

Opening up online gaming across all platforms would only be a good thing for gamers. MS stood in front of it before, now Sony does. Maybe next gen we'll get it.

People purchase consoles because of their games and Exclusives, something that Microsoft will no longer have. And there is no way that Microsoft can compete against PC gaming with the Xbox One, because PC gaming will be cheaper and will play  the same and even more games than the Xbox One. The way to compete is with exclusives, and with we have more than 1 Console company selling their games for the PC it will be the end of the console market. (Something that Microsoft want since they can't compete there.)

 And I don't think that opening online cross-play will affect the sales but it will of course benefit Microsoft more than Sony.

Wii U has a larger library of quality exclusives than either other console and free online play yet sold by far the worst. Exclusives are nice, but their importance to the mass market is largely overstated here. Also, Xbox still has exclusives, and Microsoft isn't trying to compete against the PC with the Xbox One. That's like saying Nintendo is trying to compete against the WiiU with the 3DS. They have the same ecosystem and play the same types of games, usually from the same IP's. Gaming on Windows is about expanding the reach for MS. If Xbone loses to PC gamers, why does MS care? Those PC gamers can log onto the Windows Store and pay MS monies for games there.

Exactly what is this big benefit MS gets from opening online play across all platforms that Sony does not? Are people suddenly going to start buying up Xbones instead of PS4's? I don't see why. PS4 already has the "it" factor.



Mr Puggsly said:
Kerotan said:

Never said it didn't but in terms of marketplace for games software they have been obliterated by steam and remain stuck in a corner they're desperately but unsuccessfully trying to get out of. 

I dont think they have been obliterated by Steam, because I dont think they ever really tried to compete. GFW and Windows Store so far have been half assed. They were/are okay for playing some games, but MS hasnt gone at Steam at full force.

Let me put it this way, they never competed with Steam like they have Sony/Nintendo. You cant disagree with that, its a fact.

Why? MS is already in the PC market and make billions there. Dominating the PC gaming market STILL isnt a priority but clearly they want Windows Store to grow. Windows Store isnt just a games store, people forget this.

Lastly, Windows Store could potentially thrive without competing directly with Steam. Its just an app, not an expensive box.

They are trying to compete the last 2 years and they've been obliterated.  That may change but it ain't looking good.  Don't shift the goalposts and start bringing in their OS which is clearly not what I'm talking about. 



Makes no sense to me. The customers win if Sony does this. Sony should be racing to make this happen. It finally gives those timed dlc deals meaning.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Just like I said it in the title, Sony needs to stand their ground as the market leader FOR CONSOLES. Microsoft has never truly been all about consoles and they are starting to show their true colors. It doesnt matter how close consoles are getting to PC's, the console needs to be an experience that is seldom allowed to share its space with PC. If Sony gave their exclusives to PC during the PS3 era it would've been the biggest cop out. If Sony would've given up their amazing exclusives lineup to PC, they would never have caught up to Microsoft by the end of last gen. Microsoft gave up too easily and revealed who they truly are. Its known that they were never a great console developer, but at this point its safe to say that PC gamers are going to be gaming on console gamers dime with live for a good long while.

My reason for saying this is because is Sony goes open platform, they are giving Microsoft what they crave, which is less incentive for people to buy consoles based on who their friends are doing. It might seem like what Microsoft is doing is pro consumer at first glance, but in truth if Sony goes through with it, this is one less reason to to buy to go with the more dominant choice. Microsoft showed Sony zero quarter in this respect last gen, but do you really believe Sony should open up?

Preach, A-men!

All these "consumer friendly" moves are obviously because of one reason, Xbox isn't selling as well as it should.

If I was Sony I'd block cross online play if it meant Xbox benefitting from its larger online playerbase lol.

But are you talking about big Sony exclusives going to other platforms? Never gonne happen other than thru PS Now streaming. Sony has its own ecosystem and PS Now is gonna be a huge part of it.



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Yeah i also hope that Sony will never bring their Exclusives to PC or any other device not from Sony ! For Microsoft it makes kinda sense because of Windows. But im really sure they wont and im really happy about this. :)
And the same applies for Cross-Play, Microsoft tried the sneaky way to turn things in their favour because they "lost" and wanted to look like the good guys, but they are the devils.
And we dont even need it on PS4, we have more than enough Players. For PS4/PC with Games like Rocket League, where you have no advantage over another im completely fine and they can do that.

And if you People complain about #4ThePlayers thing, then i feel sorry for you, because you certainly DONT get what it means. #4ThePlayers belongs to Playstation, the # has nothing to do with Xbox/PC or whatever.

Sony is simply the best in terms of GAMING (at least from my point of view) and will forever (if they dont screw up massively) be my Gamingcompany, that i will support 4-Ever !!! :) #4ThePlayers #PSNation
And i will still enjoy some great PC-Exclusives along the way or maybe soon (again) Nintendo-Exclusives (NX) !



kowenicki said:
pokoko said:
I don't think anyone is going to seriously say that Microsoft moving Xbox over to PC is because they're suddenly "pro-consumer", not unless they're trying to play the 'console warz' game. They're doing it purely because they want to make more money.

Otherwise, their games wouldn't be Windows 10 exclusives and they would be publishing on Steam, Linux, Apple, and Playstation. That would be "pro-consumer", not trying to force people into an upgrade and into a terrible UWP framework.

I'd argue the people trying to score points here are the ones saying " why buy an xbox one" ad nauseum now... THAT is the console warz response.

What MS is doing IS pro consumer.  The reason they are doing it matters not, the result is pro-consumer.  Are you suggesting it is anti consumer?

Forget the reason, its irrelevant to the consumer.... Be honest... answer the simple question of if it is anti consumer or pro consumer?

Sure, the people making a big deal out of "Xbox no longer has exclusives" are tryng to score points in the console wars but obviously those who are suddenly pushing the idea that "exclusives don't matter" when a year ago they had a different message are doing the exact same thing.  NOW they don't believe in exclusives?  Right.  I think I saw someone earlier post something like "#forthegamers" which is basically the epitome of the console warz mentality where everything is spun into a weapon.

Is Microsoft making their games exclusive to Windows 10, UWP, and their own store a pro-consumer move?  No, it's a pro-Microsoft move.  Does it bring some benefit to a segment of gamers?  Absolutely.  So does KFC opening up a new restaurant in Saphenous, Japan, as now more people can eat wonderful fried chicken (!) but I'm not going to call that "pro-consumer".

Really, though, so what?  Should we pat them on the back for trying to make more money?  Not really, though it does represent an improvement.  I mean, Sony has games available on Sony TVs and BluRay Player and Samsung TVs through Playstation Now but I'm not going to pat them on the back, either.  They're just doing what they should, which is to grow their product.

Personally, I'm pro-business compared to a lot of gamers, as I've been in business and understand that the first loyalty is to the success of your own company.  Most of the time, if businesses listened to their customers, they'd die within a year.  I think some "anti-consumer" claims are just people feeling entitled.  However, I'm not going to praise a company for trying to make money.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Swordmasterman said:

People purchase consoles because of their games and Exclusives, something that Microsoft will no longer have. And there is no way that Microsoft can compete against PC gaming with the Xbox One, because PC gaming will be cheaper and will play  the same and even more games than the Xbox One. The way to compete is with exclusives, and with we have more than 1 Console company selling their games for the PC it will be the end of the console market. (Something that Microsoft want since they can't compete there.)

 And I don't think that opening online cross-play will affect the sales but it will of course benefit Microsoft more than Sony.

Wii U has a larger library of quality exclusives than either other console and free online play yet sold by far the worst. Exclusives are nice, but their importance to the mass market is largely overstated here. Also, Xbox still has exclusives, and Microsoft isn't trying to compete against the PC with the Xbox One. That's like saying Nintendo is trying to compete against the WiiU with the 3DS. They have the same ecosystem and play the same types of games, usually from the same IP's. Gaming on Windows is about expanding the reach for MS. If Xbone loses to PC gamers, why does MS care? Those PC gamers can log onto the Windows Store and pay MS monies for games there.

Exactly what is this big benefit MS gets from opening online play across all platforms that Sony does not? Are people suddenly going to start buying up Xbones instead of PS4's? I don't see why. PS4 already has the "it" factor.

What you mean with "Wii U has a larger library of quality exclusives than either other console and free online play yet sold by far the worst."? Quality is something from person to person but I can bet that  only releasing a game every 4-5 months hurted Wii U's sales and also every single Multiplataform game skipping the Wii U also helped a lot in its failure.

Wii U is a home console and 3DS a handheld console.  completely different markets and I don't remember the last time Handhelds received games of the size of Console or PC games.

Xbox already is very niche out-side the USA and now without Exclusives Microsoft will not be able to get any ground out-side of the USA. Of course people on the USA will continue to purchase the Xbox One regardless of that (but in a less quantity) since Microsoft have a strong fanbase there. A console that only is popular in 2 countries will have a hard time getting the Developer's atention, more exclusives would come for the PS4.



pokoko said:

Sure, the people making a big deal out of "Xbox no longer has exclusives" are tryng to score points in the console wars but obviously those who are suddenly pushing the idea that "exclusives don't matter" when a year ago they had a different message are doing the exact same thing.  NOW they don't believe in exclusives?  Right.  I think I saw someone earlier post something like "#forthegamers" which is basically the epitome of the console warz mentality where everything is spun into a weapon.

Is Microsoft making their games exclusive to Windows 10, UWP, and their own store a pro-consumer move?  No, it's a pro-Microsoft move.  Does it bring some benefit to a segment of gamers?  Absolutely.  So does KFC opening up a new restaurant in Saphenous, Japan, as now more people can eat wonderful fried chicken (!) but I'm not going to call that "pro-consumer".

Really, though, so what?  Should we pat them on the back for trying to make more money?  Not really, though it does represent an improvement.  I mean, Sony has games available on Sony TVs and BluRay Player and Samsung TVs through Playstation Now but I'm not going to pat them on the back, either.  They're just doing what they should, which is to grow their product.

Personally, I'm pro-business compared to a lot of gamers, as I've been in business and understand that the first loyalty is to the success of your own company.  Most of the time, if businesses listened to their customers, they'd die within a year.  I think some "anti-consumer" claims are just people feeling entitled.  However, I'm not going to praise a company for trying to make money.

1st bold: remember when MS was pedaling the "greatest lineup in Xbox history" and fans were eating it up? Touting Halo 5, Forza 6, Tomb Raider, etc. Now, all of a sudden, exclusives don't matter, coincidentally as Microsoft gets rid of the idea of true exclusives. Funny. 

2nd bold: exactly. I've posted, at length, about this many times. Things are only "anti-consumer" because, for some reason, you feel everything is owed to you just for making a purchasing decision, and if you don't get what you want, it's not your fault for jumping on the wrong horse; it's their fault for not doing every little thing you want them to. Let's go ahead and abolish exclusives, let every console play online against other consoles, etc. Get rid of every incentive to purchase a particular console. And watch the console industry crumble under all this "pro-consumer" mentality. And when we end up with one console that allows everyone to play with everybody, watch the quality of games dip as developers no longer have an incentive to push harder than the next guy. No need to work extra hard. 200 million people will buy this "one console for all", and if just 1% buy a game, that's 2 million sales for a low effort game. Plenty of profit.



kowenicki said:
Sony should release all of their exclusives for PC and make cross platform a thing.

It is the only consumer friendly thing to do.

Anything else is Sony being anti consumer.

You cannot convince me otherwise, because it would be an illogical argument.

#4thegamers

Sony and MS are pro business. If that means that they'll have to be anti-consumer, they will. You of all people should know this.