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Azuren said:
pokoko said:
I don't think anyone is going to seriously say that Microsoft moving Xbox over to PC is because they're suddenly "pro-consumer", not unless they're trying to play the 'console warz' game. They're doing it purely because they want to make more money.

Otherwise, their games wouldn't be Windows 10 exclusives and they would be publishing on Steam, Linux, Apple, and Playstation. That would be "pro-consumer", not trying to force people into an upgrade and into a terrible UWP framework.

But didn't you know? "Pro-consumer" is actually just a buzzword PC gamers use. If they can play it, then it's pro-consumer; if they can't, it's Anti-consumer 

Not really, at least not in this case.  Those calling Microsoft "pro-consumer" over this are generally Xbox fans looking for a new weapon to replace an exclusives list.  Many PC gamers know better because Microsoft is still doing the "exclusive" thing with Windows 10, UWP, and their own Store.  They're pushing an agenda really freaking hard.



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Barkley said:

As the market leader going crossplatform with Xbox would benefit Microsoft far more than Sony. Microsoft know this that's why it's only recently they have become open to the idea. Because they know it benefits them far more than Sony.

So yeah... they shouldn't.

I disagree.
You wan't Sony's competitors to be competitive with Sony.
Sony is at it's best when it doesn't become complacent. (Re: PS3 Launch.)

Besides, having people gaming together irrespective of platform would just be awesome, no longer will you have a real-life friend that you will never be able to game with because they have a different device, game servers will have higher populations due to consolidation so you as a consumer can get more of your money's worth before the games multiplayer population implodes.
There will likely be more game servers available to a player overall resulting in a better experience.



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Pemalite said:
Barkley said:

As the market leader going crossplatform with Xbox would benefit Microsoft far more than Sony. Microsoft know this that's why it's only recently they have become open to the idea. Because they know it benefits them far more than Sony.

So yeah... they shouldn't.

I disagree.
You wan't Sony's competitors to be competitive with Sony.
Sony is at it's best when it doesn't become complacent. (Re: PS3 Launch.)

Besides, having people gaming together irrespective of platform would just be awesome, no longer will you have a real-life friend that you will never be able to game with because they have a different device, game servers will have higher populations due to consolidation so you as a consumer can get more of your money's worth before the games multiplayer population implodes.
There will likely be more game servers available to a player overall resulting in a better experience.

I've been talking from a business standpoint, not what would be best for consumers.



kowenicki said:
Kerotan said:
Microsoft is only playing the good guy because Sony and Steam have cornered them and they have no choice. Where was this MS the last 2 gens when they were reeling bullish?

Sony should allow cross play but that's it. They've always been open to this. MS only recently came around to it. Again, only because they're cornered and it suits them.

These kinds of posts are great.

So you admit what MS is doing is good for the consumer but complain they are only doing it becasue they are "cornered".

Why does it matter why they are doing it?  Its pro-consumer, its pro-choice and therfore it is good for gamers.  At least admit the truth.

And why do you want Sony to be anti-consumer and not relase all exclusives on PC? 

There is only one answer to the last question that I can think of.

Why is MS being anti consumer and not releasing all exclusives on ps4, wii u and mac? Why is it that a MS platform should be the one to get all excluisves versus the others?? makes no sense



Chazore said:
Ruler said:

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I completley agree with OP, sharing exclusives is only pro consumer on the surface but it really isnt if you look at the whole picture. This practice is slowly killing consoles and without them you wouldnt see all these exclusives being made in the first place. Nintendo and Sony wouldnt make all these games if it wouldnt be for spending 300-500$ on a new device for the consumer.

I remember a time where you had dozzens of consoles in the 90s, plus PC and home computer as well as the arcades. All these platforms had their own exclusives and as a result you had more games overall. Today pc and consoles share all the same games, and by far they all have a lot less games overall than previous Gens.

Instead of sharing exclusives how about that MS actually makes some new ones? Their press e3 conference really lacked new exclusive anouncments except for Forza which was excepted anyways

You do realize that on PC people can and do end up fnding some games that are exclusive like Star Citizen, or even in some cases they fund the devs who then make the game multiplat?, either way it's pro consumer, but asking us to pay hundreds of thousands if not millions for a AAA set piece while disregarding and inflating the budgets each year isn't doing anyone a solid favor, in fact it's making problems worse for them and for us. When someone can do a AAA game with a more tame budget there really is no excuse for other parties to learn, to adapt and follow suit and evolve to making games they want without signing blank cheques and then shrugging your shoulders at your consumers when they gasp at the overblown production costs and game price. 

Also back then we all had games, today we more or less do share a library of games but it still doesn't stop us from being able to own and play games of the past, none of them vanished (well if you're on a current gen console then a large majority do not exist today for those owners unless they own all consoles and all of them work and never ever die).

How has crowdfunding anything to do whith what i was saying? Or BC?

Chazore said:
You should probably tell console manufacturers to stop making consoles into PC's then, because that is exactly what they are trying to become, this gen has had them switching their architecture to a level that PC uses along with trying to emulate whatever a PC has done in the past and does today.

Just because they use x86 doesnt make them PCs, or do you think Apple Macs are also PCs? How does that make sense?

Also the original Xbox had an Intel processor. And going further consoles like the Megadrive and Neo Geo used Motorrola 6800 CPUs but so did the Amiga, Atari ST and Macintoshs which all of them are Computers. 

Did you also called the Sega Megadrive a Homecomputer or PC?



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Azuren said:
pokoko said:
I don't think anyone is going to seriously say that Microsoft moving Xbox over to PC is because they're suddenly "pro-consumer", not unless they're trying to play the 'console warz' game. They're doing it purely because they want to make more money.

Otherwise, their games wouldn't be Windows 10 exclusives and they would be publishing on Steam, Linux, Apple, and Playstation. That would be "pro-consumer", not trying to force people into an upgrade and into a terrible UWP framework.

But didn't you know? "Pro-consumer" is actually just a buzzword PC gamers use. If they can play it, then it's pro-consumer; if they can't, it's Anti-consumer 

Samee goes for console gamers. You see "anti-consumer" every time we find out a game is exclusive. A game published by Sony and developed by Insomniac was decried as "anti-consumer".....even though Sony has had a relationship with Insomniac and has been getting exclusives from them since Spyro. That game is Spider-Man. And, it's only "anti-consumer" because it's Spider-Man. If it was Resistance 4, nobody would care. If the game was exactly the same, but was about some other superhero (either made up by Insomniac or an established, but less popular superhero), nobody would care. But because it's Spider-Man, Xbox owner feel entitled to the game, "because the IP has always been multi-platform". They act as though Activision can't make their own Spider-Man game (they do still own the rights). They act like anybody else couldn't license the IP and make a game for XBOne. If Naughty Dog decides to make a Batman game, is it "anti-consumer"....by virtue of it being Batman and exclusive? This is tantamount to saying that studios are only allowed to make the games you want, and not the games they want. 



How exactly is online gaming open across all platforms going to mean less incentive to buy consoles?

PC gaming has had huge advantages for years and years, and yet every gen hundreds of millions of people buy consoles and billions of games. It's hilarious how suddenly MS is going to get large masses of people to buy expensive gaming PC's or build their own PC's when most people couldn't give a rats ass about either.

Opening up online gaming across all platforms would only be a good thing for gamers. MS stood in front of it before, now Sony does. Maybe next gen we'll get it.



Pemalite said:
Barkley said:

As the market leader going crossplatform with Xbox would benefit Microsoft far more than Sony. Microsoft know this that's why it's only recently they have become open to the idea. Because they know it benefits them far more than Sony.

So yeah... they shouldn't.

I disagree.
You wan't Sony's competitors to be competitive with Sony.
Sony is at it's best when it doesn't become complacent. (Re: PS3 Launch.)

Besides, having people gaming together irrespective of platform would just be awesome, no longer will you have a real-life friend that you will never be able to game with because they have a different device, game servers will have higher populations due to consolidation so you as a consumer can get more of your money's worth before the games multiplayer population implodes.
There will likely be more game servers available to a player overall resulting in a better experience.

Sony made the PS3 hard to develop to and launched it for 600US$ (the console was actually more expensive) Those are silly mistakes and I don't understand what this have to do with the actual generation or their future mistakes. Microsoft already make 2 big mistakes and now are going for the third one, the Aways online on the launch, the Kinect Mandatory even after the launch and now all their exclusives will be playable on the PC.

This is anti-consumer for who first purchased the Xbox. I don't think that Microsoft should be able to compete directly with Sony unless they have fixed their problems. I think that would be more interesting to see the NX competing  directly with the PS4.



LudicrousSpeed said:
How exactly is online gaming open across all platforms going to mean less incentive to buy consoles?

PC gaming has had huge advantages for years and years, and yet every gen hundreds of millions of people buy consoles and billions of games. It's hilarious how suddenly MS is going to get large masses of people to buy expensive gaming PC's or build their own PC's when most people couldn't give a rats ass about either.

Opening up online gaming across all platforms would only be a good thing for gamers. MS stood in front of it before, now Sony does. Maybe next gen we'll get it.

People purchase consoles because of their games and Exclusives, something that Microsoft will no longer have. And there is no way that Microsoft can compete against PC gaming with the Xbox One, because PC gaming will be cheaper and will play  the same and even more games than the Xbox One. The way to compete is with exclusives, and with we have more than 1 Console company selling their games for the PC it will be the end of the console market. (Something that Microsoft want since they can't compete there.)

 And I don't think that opening online cross-play will affect the sales but it will of course benefit Microsoft more than Sony.



kowenicki said:
Kerotan said:
Microsoft is only playing the good guy because Sony and Steam have cornered them and they have no choice. Where was this MS the last 2 gens when they were reeling bullish?

Sony should allow cross play but that's it. They've always been open to this. MS only recently came around to it. Again, only because they're cornered and it suits them.

These kinds of posts are great.

So you admit what MS is doing is good for the consumer but complain they are only doing it becasue they are "cornered".

Why does it matter why they are doing it?  Its pro-consumer, its pro-choice and therfore it is good for gamers.  At least admit the truth.

And why do you want Sony to be anti-consumer and not relase all exclusives on PC? 

There is only one answer to the last question that I can think of.

What is this nonsense? Why do you want McDonald's to be anti-consumer and not allow Burger King to make Big Macs. Why do you want Best Buy to be anti-consumer and not allow Wal-Mart to carry Insignia products. Why do you want Microsoft to be anti-consumer and not let Apple stores sell Windows devices? Why do you want Netflix to be anti-consumer and not let Hulu play Orange is the New Black?

If you think exclusive content content is "anti-consumer", then you don't know how capitalism works. Which is funny, because aren't you the guy who got into a brouhaha not too long ago because you thought that you being a business owner made your opinions more valid to whatever discussion you were having (and people, subsequently, called you out on it because owning a business doesn't automatically make you a savant at any and all operations at various companies)? I don't know what your line of business is, but I guess you're "anti-consumer" because you provide some service or product that allows you to stand out from your competition.....but you don't let your competition provide those same benefits. Those products/services are "exclusive" to your business. 

Just as someone pointed out, "pro-consumer" is just a new buzzword, now that you can't give out an exclusives list to defend whatever pro-MS arguments you have.