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Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

Much worse? Does X1 version of PS4 games look much worse?

In the case you exposed, games like Uncharted 4 on last gen consoles would look much worse, yes, and you still dont understand that we are talking of  the game as it is right now, maybe a 240p version of this game with no AA, shorter drawn distance, a simplified physics system, and downgraded lighting and textures will work fine on PsVita... but that's not the version of the game we are talking about, that's not the version of the game that has impressed even Digital Foundry, is this one, the game as it si right now is impressive for a WiiU, compared to all game I have played on the system this looks beyond what the console looked capable of.

Also the comparison XBO-Ps4 is a bit different, they can always lower the resolution of the xbo version to balance the difference, in the case of Ps3 -WiiU however to lower the resolutiobn would result in a sub-hd game, and that difference is remarkable, would this game be able to run in Ps3 at 480p? I guess so, but again, that's not the version we are impressed about, that does not make the WiiU version less impressive for the hardware than it is.

Errrrr I guess you were talking that Zelda would look much worse on PS3, not that UC4 would look much worse on PS3 (in this case yes we could agree, altough seeing what they accomplished in UC2 and 3 I wouldn't worry too much). So you think WiiU is so much better than PS3 that they would need to downgrade everything in half? Ok keep gaming on the power hog you have there.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Goodnightmoon said:

In the case you exposed, games like Uncharted 4 on last gen consoles would look much worse, yes, and you still dont understand that we are talking of  the game as it is right now, maybe a 240p version of this game with no AA, shorter drawn distance, a simplified physics system, and downgraded lighting and textures will work fine on PsVita... but that's not the version of the game we are talking about, that's not the version of the game that has impressed even Digital Foundry, is this one, the game as it si right now is impressive for a WiiU, compared to all game I have played on the system this looks beyond what the console looked capable of.

Also the comparison XBO-Ps4 is a bit different, they can always lower the resolution of the xbo version to balance the difference, in the case of Ps3 -WiiU however to lower the resolutiobn would result in a sub-hd game, and that difference is remarkable, would this game be able to run in Ps3 at 480p? I guess so, but again, that's not the version we are impressed about, that does not make the WiiU version less impressive for the hardware than it is.

Errrrr I guess you were talking that Zelda would look much worse on PS3, not that UC4 would look much worse on PS3 (in this case yes we could agree, altough seeing what they accomplished in UC2 and 3 I wouldn't worry too much). So you think WiiU is so much better than PS3 that they would need to downgrade everything in half? Ok keep gaming on the power hog you have there.

Eh... no, those are only your words

I have never considered my WiiU a specially powerful console, specially since my PC must be like 5 times more powerful, but I can see when a game is pushing the console beyond any other game on the system, and that's why I'm impressed, this is using some modern techniques that I see on some of my PC games but I would not expect to see them on a hardware like that in the way Zelda is doing it.



Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

Errrrr I guess you were talking that Zelda would look much worse on PS3, not that UC4 would look much worse on PS3 (in this case yes we could agree, altough seeing what they accomplished in UC2 and 3 I wouldn't worry too much). So you think WiiU is so much better than PS3 that they would need to downgrade everything in half? Ok keep gaming on the power hog you have there.

Eh... no, those are only your words

I have never considered my WiiU a specially powerful console, specially since my PC must be like 5 times more powerful, but I can see when a game is pushing the console beyond any other game on the system, and that's why I'm impressed, this is using some modern techniques that I see on some of my PC games but I would not expect to see them on a hardware like that in the way Zelda is doing it.

You are claiming Zelda would have to be 480p to run on PS3.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Eh... no, those are only your words

I have never considered my WiiU a specially powerful console, specially since my PC must be like 5 times more powerful, but I can see when a game is pushing the console beyond any other game on the system, and that's why I'm impressed, this is using some modern techniques that I see on some of my PC games but I would not expect to see them on a hardware like that in the way Zelda is doing it.

You are claiming Zelda would have to be 480p to run on PS3.

No I didn't, it was clearly an example.



Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

You are claiming Zelda would have to be 480p to run on PS3.

No I didn't, it was clearly an example.

So basically you can't really say how much worse it would be and also have no hard proof of how much stronger WiiU is than PS3 (all I know you can pull is some dev saying that to then the console was stronger, that was at release). So we are back at square one with you having no evidence to claim it's impossible.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Goodnightmoon said:

No I didn't, it was clearly an example.

So basically you can't really say how much worse it would be and also have no hard proof of how much stronger WiiU is than PS3 (all I know you can pull is some dev saying that to then the console was stronger, that was at release). So we are back at square one with you having no evidence to claim it's impossible.

You have no evidence it would be possible either. All the games you gave as examples don't do all the things (physics, dynamic effects, etc.) the new Zelda does all at once, while keeping a good image quality and solid performance.

You didn't provide anything that supports your baseless claim. 



DonFerrari said:
Goodnightmoon said:

No I didn't, it was clearly an example.

So basically you can't really say how much worse it would be and also have no hard proof of how much stronger WiiU is than PS3 (all I know you can pull is some dev saying that to then the console was stronger, that was at release). So we are back at square one with you having no evidence to claim it's impossible.

Except you have even less evidence of this game being possible as it is on Ps3 yet you came to this thread to say is possible with not a single evidence and claiming wiiu is not stronger than Ps360, when we know that's objectively wrong, and as long as no one can give you a totally accurate measure of how much powerful WiiU is compared to Ps360 (no one can, because is not exactly 2+2=4, there is debate about it) or how much this game would need to be downgraded to fit on a Ps3 (no one knows it because it has never been done) you are right by default because reasons...



Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

What isn't true? No game close to what Zelda have would run on PS360? What is your evidence for that?

What is yours for saying the opposite? 

Mine is my eyes and a good memory, because most people seem to have a terrible amnesia when it comes to remember graphics of last gen games, the only open world game that cames remotely close to this one in Ps360 is GTAV, the most expensive game ever, and yet, it doesn't look as good as this on those consoles and it runs at 20fps half of the time, hopefully this will have a mostly stable framerate in release. Tachikoma made an analysis about XCX and she concluded that the game was not possible on Ps360 at least without making remarkable downgrades in some areas. This looks better than XCX and has a way more complex Physics sytem and AI so that makes me think this would not be possible on ps360. 

GTA V on PS3 runs between 25-30 fps and looks really amazing. With cel-shaded graphics a lot less details are required, you can play Borderlands 2 and it looks impressive on PS3 while being open-world.

Also GTA V's world is more dense with a lot more NPC's and structures than Breath of the Wild.

Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

Not even in theory we are certain because no hard numbers were ever compared... just some devs "information" that it was stronger. And if PS4 is 30%-50% stronger than X1 and X1 can play the same games, unless you can say WiiU is a lot stronger than PS360 for certain than your point isn't proven.

How doesn't it make sense? You are saying Zelda isn't possible on PS360 because you from memory haven't seen a game like it on PS360, so I say that since I haven't seem an Uncharted or TLOU or Halo or GoW (you really don't have anything similar on WiiU) then it's uncapable of doing it. II just used the same "proof" you used. Uncharted 4 could be run in WiiU if the made a last gen port of it cutting a lot of the effects.

Like 99% of games today, but then they would look much worse and the comparison makes little to no sense, I find impressive that the game as it is and it looks right now is able to run in the WiiU, I'm talking about the actual game as it is, not about a heavily downgrade version of it.

And when WiiU is running some games that ps360 would not be able to run without remarkable downgrades because they are more demanding is pretty logic that it would be able to run any ps360 game, included tlou, because they aren't that demanding.

Wii U will be able to run TLOU, yes, because its on the same ballpark as a PS3.

But TLOU isn't the best game to bring up because there are more impressive looking games on PS3, such as God of War III, Ascension and GTA V. These games still look like a current gen game.



DonFerrari said:
teigaga said:
It really could pass for a PS4/X1 game. Obviously not a cutting edge one but still...

I wonder whether the NX will be a top tier port with new textures, FX, models etc or just better resolution, AA and FPS.

Which PS4/X1 game?

No one game in particular, but looking at that DF footage, If this was a PS4 game I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Its not cutting edge but it also doesn't look last gen to me either. 



teigaga said:
DonFerrari said:

Which PS4/X1 game?

No one game in particular, but looking at that DF footage, If this was a PS4 game I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Its not cutting edge but it also doesn't look last gen to me either. 

It certainly wouldn't draw your attention



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."