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MaxwellGT2000 said:

ZenfoldorVGI made the comment in another forum that the reason he doesn't like and doesn't play his PS3 much is the lack of Japanese style games and JRPGs in particular. With all the support the PS2 had on that front you would think it would be a no brainer that they would continue that trend but it hasn't really been the case yet, as Zen pointed out the PS3 has had mostly Western support and mostly FPS games and games like R&C:FToD and Uncharted. It was an interesting point and made me think of why the support is lacking and from a Japanese dev's point of view I surmised these points in my theory:

  • There's only around 2 million PS3's sold in Japan, most dev teams shoot for profit and most want that goal of having a million seller, it's very hard to have a million seller with only 2 million systems in their market you would have to appeal to over half the PS3 owners.
  • Budget, the economy is going down a bit over there so they can't spend all their moeny on one game to have is look "next gen"
  • Risk, they can always come out with a game for the PS3 and then bring it to the states but the things that stand in their way is this, with the small market they have they might not make a huge profit off their game, then they spend a lot of money on translation, voice actors, and everything else that goes into making a game for another region and they might not have the money for that, or they do but they send it out and lose the profit they made in Japan cause it flopped in the NA and Europe.
Those are three big factors into making a successful game and the odds seemed to be stacked against the dev's at this point in time, I really want to see what these JRPG makers and Japanese dev's can do with PS3 and if they ever venture to 360 (or if MS throws enough money their way to make games for 360) it will be an interesting sight when it happens. For now however there just needs to be more hardware sales there to warrent their risk.


I feel and I think exactly like ZenfoldorVGI (which is usually the case, kind of scary).

Then again, the sole reason I bought the PS3 so early is because I wanted the BC, and the PS3 with BC were being phased out in Europe, so I had to buy it sooner than I wanted. Now it's taking dust, except when I'm playing the PS2 games on it (I barely play the PS3 games which were bundled with it), and it will be worse now that I have the best game for me this generation on the Wii (FE:RD).

 

I disagree with most of your points though:

  • Fortunately for the PS3, several JRPG had started development before its launch, thanks to PS2 fame and analysts being all morons. Also, the XB360 not fully paid by MS are so bad failures, that the japanese companies will have to port them to PS3 to try to recoup their costs. Remember they are all falling in profit, despite getting decent (sometimes not decent) revenue. So the PS3 will at least get all those JRPG.
  • The economy is not really going down over there, perhaps you meant the videogame business is going down. But Nintendo told them years ago and they wouldn't listen. I say some japanese companies will be hit hard when they realize too late that Nintendo was right. Keep in mind people still put lots of money on the Wii, so budget is not a good excuse, especially when devs and "gamers" alike are saying they want HD games. They brought this on themselves.
  • This strategy you're talking about, I strongly believe would be the doom of every japanese devs that use it. I've always said it, and it's a strong belief I have. If the japanese devs start making games that appeal strongly to western tastes, which is a prerequisite for these games to sell in the west, they will basically destroy their brand in Japan, which is their core market. Then they're dead, as I'm SURE they can't do better than western devs on western style games. These japanese games sell outside Japan because they have an appeal that western games don't have. Yet, not all japanese games appeal to western tastes. Anyway, doing this strategy would mean giving all the Nintendo market to Nintendo. It's happening already because they wouldn't listen to Nintendo, shooting themselves in the foot. Now Sony started on this dangerous strategy you're describing, which is even worse as they're the designers of the console, shooting themselves in the heart.

JRPG is not a huge genre in Japan, with a few sales.

They mitigated this before with "poor" graphics, not a lot of content, ...

Now, hardcore gamers are asking for more, for HD graphics, ...

But it's obvious the JRPG devs can't stand it. Either you have production values in the style of Disgaea 3, which hardcore won't want because it doesn't have the HD graphics, or you have devs slightly paid for making the games, with such poor sales that they barely recoup their devs cost, or you have high production value by the big Square Enix, or paid for by MS. And I'm sure SE is sweating hard on their FFXIII games. 



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dante said:
one thing to remember is that this is the first time in a while where 2 consoles will be able to be successful. I think nintendo got a lot more popular over there with the DS

Huh?

What are you saying? What do you mean?

I don't think you can say there can be 2 consoles successful when 2 on 3 have made billions of loss since launch (I'm not even counting before launch which should contain the R&D costs). For now, we're heading to 1 successful console.



@ Soriku

You kidding right? What you said proved my point. You think devs are holding back annoucements til 2009. That would Japanese devs holding back on the Wii, b/c nothing is annouced. Besides I'm sure that Atlus has like five PS3 games that they are waiting to annouce. ;)

@ Gamerace

Well Disgaea has done pretty well for itself.



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Come on outlaw, the Wii has tons of Japanese games announced. In fact, Nintendo itself is a Japanese developer, who has made two Japanese RPGs for the system, and they are amongst the best games this gen. Fire Emblem: RD, and Super Paper Mario. Not to mention Tales 2, Fragile, Baroque(might suck, but at least its a jrpg, PS3 ain't got one).

Now, I remember when the PS2 first launched. It sucked. The only RPG out was The Summoner which I bought. I bought a PS2 for Final Fantasy X. I think a lot of people did. I don't think FFXIII is the system seller X was, as the FF name has been tarnished since the PS1 era hype that propelled the PS2 into selling like it did.

Anyway, back to my point. The PS2 didn't have any good JRPG's for a while either, but it made up for it with awesome new IP's right off the bat, like Devil May Cry 1 and Onimusha, two very Japanese centered Capcom games that are still classics.

Let me say this, if given the choice, I would NEVER pick a ruins exploring game like Uncharted, no matter how good it is. That's just not my kind of game, period. However, because of the hype, graphically, I picked this up, and beat it. I found it to be what I thought it would be, and nothing more.

The PS3 just doesn't have what it takes to keep me interested at this time.

Right now, I'm playing Radiant Dawn on my Wii, Days of Ruin on my DS, and Grim Grimoire on my PS2.

THOSE kinds of games are what I want. They don't even have to be as good as those games, but they just have to exist, and they don't.

PS3 fanboys know this, they know. They have to resent their PS3, but they have such a deep seeded acceptance of the PS3 no matter what, that they base their love on its potential, not what it has out right now.

PS3 fanboys with anime and final fantasy avatars. Do you like FPS games? Is that the type of game you want to play? if you could pick a game to make yourself for the PS3, would it be Uncharted? Don't you want Persona 3 on your PS3? Don't you miss role playing games?

Do you not miss RPGs!?

They are out there right now, being played and they are just as good as they once were.

Lost Oddessey
Eternal Sonata
Radiant Dawn
Days of Ruin

Sony fanboys, like it or not, are either denying themselves their RPG fix and telling themselves there are just no good RPG's out there, or they are playing their PS2. That's all there is too it.

The PS3 will eventually get FFXIII and that will spark a few new JRPG's for the system, but I think that the great JRPG generation is over for the PS3. It will get JRPG support, but not on the level of the DS, and probably equal to Wii level.

Microsoft made sure JRPG's graced its system, because they recognized the importance of them. Sony obviously didn't. I wonder if they saw gaming's future in the Orange Box and God of War, and not in Legend of Dragoon and Final Fantasy XII.

I bought a PS3 because of the PS2. So far, it sucks ass. That started off as hard for me to say. Really hard. I loved it at first, the graphics were so fresh on my big HDTV. Now, I could give a shit. I'm playing my PS2. I shoulda waited to buy a PS3 till some games came out I wanted. Right now, for the general Sony fanboy audience who loves JRPG's, and anime, it has nothing.

That's why it gets me when Sony fanboys attack the Wii for having no games, when most of you Sony fanboys would and should consider Radiant Dawn a better game than everything available on the PS3 combined, were you unbiased.

The PS2 is where its at for me. That's why people are still buying it. They want a backup unit, because they plan to play it forever, or at least until the PS3 gets some Japanese games, like every other freakin' console on earth already has.

Western games, FPS, and football, sure they're big sellers for the PS2, but not to the core audience, who originally made the thing popular. We bought it for FFX, and we're still playing it for Persona 3, Grim Grimoire, Tales of the Abyss, and Odin Sphere.

That's my opinion.



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I don't need your console war.

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The PS3's goal now is not to dominate like the PS2 did but simply to survive and keep a seat open for the PS4.

When compared to a console like the Wii which is able to make the PS2's lifetime profits (thus far) in just a six month period, a console like the PS3 (which is far less profitable than the PS2 and has already thrown away all the PS2's and part of the PS1's profits) begs the question, "why bother?". With Blu-Ray already established as the winner of the HD format wars, investors in Sony at the very least have to be asking, what is the point of trying to compete in the gaming industry when they've not only lost so much just because of the PS3, but that a console like the Wii can sell more for less yeilding a greater profit thus far than nearly all of Sony's gaming devices combined.

The only encouragement Sony might have to stay in gaming is Microsoft's parallel questionable success who has only recently just broken even with gaming and is still in the hole in the bigger picture. Even if the PS3 can become profitable faster than the 360, how long will it take for them to make back the decade's worth of profits lost by the PS3 before they can start gaining ground again? the PS3 might as well be Sony starting over in gaming, and honestly that might be a healthy perspective for them to take.



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Onimusha12 said:
The PS3's goal now is not to dominate like the PS2 did but simply to survive and keep a seat open for the PS4.

When compared to a console like the Wii which is able to make the PS2's lifetime profits (thus far) in just a six month period, a console like the PS3 (which is far less profitable than the PS2 and has already thrown away all the PS2's and part of the PS1's profits) begs the question, "why bother?". With Blu-Ray already established as the winner of the HD format wars, investors in Sony at the very least have to be asking, what is the point of trying to compete in the gaming industry when they've not only lost so much just because of the PS3, but that a console like the Wii can sell more for less yeilding a greater profit thus far than nearly all of Sony's gaming devices combined.

The only encouragement Sony might have to stay in gaming is Microsoft's parallel questionable success who has only recently just broken even with gaming and is still in the hole in the bigger picture. Even if the PS3 can become profitable faster than the 360, how long will it take for them to make back the decade's worth of profits lost by the PS3 before they can start gaining ground again? the PS3 might as well be Sony starting over in gaming, and honestly that might be a healthy perspective for them to take.

Frankly, I don't think Sony's gameplan is that in-depth. I think they're coasting.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Oh dear lord *facepalm*

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Nintendo & Sony supporter:

 Consoles: Wii & PS3.

Not all JRPGs may have been moneyhatted by Microsoft.

For example Play Magazine had an interview with Yoshito Higuchi and Tsutomu Gouda (director and producer respectively of Tales of Vesperia) and they said the reason they chose the 360 was because it had the most complete development environment at the time.

Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9856474&postcount=3