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Forums - Politics - Can you imagine a world without any religion?

I am atheist, and I have asked this question to myself multiple times since I was a teen, my idealistic side says that the world would be a better place, less discrimination and less war, but I am afraid that if religion were to disappear it'd probably would be replaced by something worse. So at the end of the day, I think religion is a necessary evil, fortunately, more and more religious people are becoming tolerant towards gays and other things, something that would have bee unthinkable in the past.



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kodeindahjunk said:

You are not thinking rationally here. Religions exist because there are questions we will never know the answers.

How did time and space start?
Did time and space have a beginning?
Or does time and space have no beginning and no end?
Do parallel universes exist?
etc..

There are only theories to answer these questions.
and the one question that creates religions:

What is going to happen after we die?

Now, have you ever asked yourself that last question? What is going to happen to me when i die? I have no doubt that anyone with a conscious mind have asked and will ask themselves that question. Religions offer an answer to that question. Some people choose to believe in religions and some don't. That's how it is, that is life.

I do believe that humans will create religions even if you destroy all evidences of all religions.

Yes, religions come with problems. But thinking of a world without religions is like you saying "I wish my clothes are not on fire" when your clothes are actually on fire!! It doesn't solve anything.

Great post. A good explanation to why this question in the OP is meaningless, although the thread itself possibly could contain something interesting.



KungKras said:
One of the barriers that separates people would be gone.

So the most important difference would be accelerated globalism.

Yes, accelerated globalism and accelerated rate of cultural marxism, political correctness, hypocrisy, totalitarianism and oppression of the free mind - all of which are features of a society I don't want to live in.



irstupid said:
Uabit said:
It would be a much better world with less stupid wars that are fought because of religions.

No, it would be wars fought for even dumber reasons.

Think of the Trojan War fought over one woman.

Imagine wars being fought over Justin Beiber.

People would just replace religion with something else. Heck even Aethiest today replace religion with other things, such as say being vegan or something. If you don't think some vegans go around preaching as bad as any religious nut does, then your not paying attention.

With no religion we may have a war of vegans for meat eaters. The vegans wanting to make the world a better place, or somethign.

ECT. Getting rid of religion would just substitute what the fighting is about.

Errrrrrr... you do realize that the Trojan war most likely didn't happen?  And that if it actually did happen it definitely didn't happen like it did in the Iliad?  Like... do you really believe that the goddesses had Paris judge who was the prettiest one was, and was given Helen as a reward for choosing Aphrodite?

And you do realize that while vegans may be annoying, they have never picketed funerals, used their beliefs as an excuse to colonize or enslave, never have carried out suicide bombing, never have encouraged violent coups, never ousted anyone from their homeland, and never had aided a ring of pedophiles in their escape from justice... right?  That they don't encourage the spread of disease in Africa and teen pregnancy throughout the world by campaigning against condoms?  That there has been like one (suspected) vegan terrorist who did not actually harm anyone?  That vegans don't go around blaming natural disasters on homosexuals or meat eaters or whoever?  That they don't celebrate mass shootings?  That they don't disrespect the dead by posthumously converting people?  Vegans are as bad as religious nuts?  Come on man.

Not everything can cause wars.  It's hard to convince people to go out and risk their lives because other people eat meat.  It's much easier to convince someone to risk their lives because an infallible god they've been trained to worship will give them eternal life if they do.



the-pi-guy said:
Uabit said:
It would be a much better world with less stupid wars that are fought because of religions.

I wonder how many of those wars wouldn't have been fought if religion didn't exist.  
I think more wars would happen than some here are thinking.  

Look at what's happening in the middle east.  You can probably make a good case that the root cause of these issues involve economics, foreign policy, western interventionism, and so on so forth.  A lot of people probably would want to react violently one way or another.  But without allah and islam to unify the disgruntled, justify their violence, and promise a reward, do you think the situation would be as bad as it is?



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Ka-pi96 said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes, accelerated globalism and accelerated rate of cultural marxism, political correctness, hypocrisy, totalitarianism and oppression of the free mind - all of which are features of a society I don't want to live in.

How exactly?

Persecution of your ideas.

There's persecution in Sweden on all levels against people who are critical towards migration.

The severe censorhip that is in media. The state actively trying to change the mind of the people to embrace multiculturalism by their retorics, propaganda campaigns etc. Kids will be bullied in school. People lose their jobs if they express these opinions or if they're active in our nationalist party. If a victim of crime happens in frustration to say "I hate foreigners" somebody (police officers, social authorities) immediately lectures them and will treat your case unfairly. Just to express on opinion has severe consequences. The left wants to own your mind.

Similar things happen when you are critical of the feminist movement, abortion or islam.

One small example of hypocrisy: the term "regressive left" was coined to describe that the left, so called progressives, actually tolerate oppressive behaviour when the "right" group commits it, muslims. When it comes to islam, all of a sudden they forego their duty to criticize acts of violence, misoginy, oppression, theocracy etc. This is chypocrisy.



While I am a Christian, I do sincerely wish people all across the world would simply treat each other as human. We all have feelings, desires, needs. Families who love us and friends we wish to see again.

Using religious reasoning to hate, despise or put down others should not be the purpose. If one if going to use religion, then I feel they should use the good parts of it.

Helping those in need, starting/participating in charities, showing love, offering support to those who have fallen, etc.

I'm so sick of the violence and attacks in the Middle East all in the name of 'Allah'. It sickens me just as those to do who thump the Bible and scream hate at our soldiers (Westboro Baptist "Church") or those who are of same-sex simply because they found love.



the-pi-guy said:
JWeinCom said:

Look at what's happening in the middle east.  You can probably make a good case that the root cause of these issues involve economics, foreign policy, western interventionism, and so on so forth.  A lot of people probably would want to react violently one way or another.  But without allah and islam to unify the disgruntled, justify their violence, and promise a reward, do you think the situation would be as bad as it is?

Maybe not as bad, but would it be gone?  I don't think so.

I don't think anyone is saying that it would be completely gone.  If they are, then they're stupid.  But just because you can't get rid of every instance of violence doesn't mean you shouldn't try to deal with one of the major causes.



Ka-pi96 said:
Slimebeast said:

Persecution of your ideas.

There's persecution in Sweden on all levels against people who are critical towards migration.

The severe censorhip that is in media. The state actively trying to change the mind of the people to embrace multiculturalism by their retorics, propaganda campaigns etc. Kids will be bullied in school. People lose their jobs if they express these opinions or if they're active in our nationalist party. If a victim of crime happens in frustration to say "I hate foreigners" somebody (police officers, social authorities) immediately lectures them. Just to express on opinion has severe consequences. The left wants to own your mind.

Similar things happen when you are critical of the feminist movement, abortion or islam.

One small example of hypocrisy: the term "regressive left" was coined to describe that the left, so called progressives, actually tolerate oppressive behaviour when the "right" group commits it, muslims. When it comes to islam, all of a sudden they forego their duty to criticize acts of violence, misoginy, oppression, theocracy etc. This is chypocrisy.

But you said a world without religion would increase those things. If they already exist now despite religion existing why would they suddenly increase without it?

Today, we at least have some form of resistance in the culturally Marxist nations like Germany, UK, Sweden, Belgium and Austria. And there's still beautiful countries in the world that are conservative - in the Western world Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Greece, Portugal and to some extent Italy and Finland.

But if we were to remove all religion and all religious people, there'd be less conservative minded people and less resistance against this cultural-Marxist ideology.

Like KungKras said, less religion means accelerated globalism. And I add to that; less religion means acceleration towards the politically correct, hypocritical, totalitarian and oppressive cultural marxist soceity.



I'm agnostic myself, but there would be no major difference.