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Would a man get away with this bullshit?

Yes 19 8.41%
 
No 207 91.59%
 
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Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

Didn't say that. I said that you have an indifference to feminists being sexist and misandric.

I hate that excuse "they're not real feminists". She represents feminists because she identifies herself as one. Feminists are not voting into the club. To the world, she's a feminist because she says she is one. That's all that really matters because whatever actions she takes or words she says, colors how people see feminism. It's no different than how islamic terrorists represent the Islamic religion or how a whore mongering christian represents christainity. Saying someone is not a part of the group they identify with because they are the fringe/extreme element of that group is a petty and lazy way to avoid taking responsibility for their actions or words. 

 

Its not an excuse.  Anyone can call themselves anything but it does not mean that they actually are.  There are pure white people that say they are black and there are pure black people that say they are white but just because they proclaim it does not make it true.  There are people that say they are Christian but do not practice the religion and that is the same for a lot of different religion.   So what if she identifies herself as a feminist, if she doesn't know the first thing what the term means she is just another imposter.  

If I take the time to actually do my research and see what a Feminist actually believe in, nothing from the first feminist to your current one states anything about hating men.  Instead it’s about women rights and wanting to be considered equal.  So if someone decides to throw their own personal opinion about hating men and claim this is a feminist view, I believe I am intelligent enough to know that this probably is one person opinion amount thousands who do not share that view.  The key is being intelligent about anything people say instead of just believing something from someone else mouth because they state it.  Its the difference between a person who follow anything someone says and someone who takes the time to know.

So no, I do not believe this young girl is actually a feminist but instead is using the term as a means to preach her own agenda.  

If feminists didn't recognize her as one of their own they should do a better job showing they disagree with her. Instead whenever we see left wing doing the imoral things their peers will stay shut, they will only denounce things done by the others. Will you deny it?

Emperorbach said:
the_dark_lewd said:

 

The idea that women in the west are currently oppressed has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

All that's happening here is someone taking advantage of historical male guilt to push their bigotry. That's it. There is no oppression here.

see thats the problem , we arent talking of 3rd or arhcaic oppression , it has evolved as society has evolved, its them getting paid less, treated worse in some ways simply becuase they are women , harrasment on the streets, not being able to do some jobs, rape culture and more, media that reinforces negative sterotypes and more

ALSO WHITE WOMEN=/=ALL women

women of color and minorities also exist, and there is such a thing as intersectionaility

care to explain in western countries that despite having the same level of experience or same position , women still earn less than their male counterparts

the WEST is way better than the developing world but there are alot of underlyring issues that are festering and being overlooked

there is deep rooted sexism and racism that has been veiled in civilites, heck you can see it in the brexit matter

Pay gap is almost a myth.

There are laws that prevent anyone from getting different payment for the same function if they were hired with less than 2 years gap (in Brazil) and similar situation in USA exist. Also, if left wing accuses companies of trying to pay the less they can to profit more, why them wouldn't they only employ woman and black people if they could really pay less for them and left wing say they are similar capacitated for the jobs in the surveys?

I'll tell you why. They pick how much a person earned in his career and say there is a gap (no matter the man worked for more years and didn't get leaves, done extra hours, etc) even if their face salary is the same. Also they compare "teacher" profession, but "forget" to consider there are more females teacher on preschool and more male teacher on university and there is a different salary for both professions... the pay gap if calculated in a honest form would show very small difference.



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So...quick question...who cares? I had never heard of this person until now and I probably won't ever again...Why am I supposed to give a shit what she thinks?

Don't get me wrong, her views are shitty and stupid, but I mean...lots of peoples views are shitty and stupid. What makes hers worth giving a crap about?



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Metroid33slayer said:
Soundwave said:

Ever heard of gangster rap? 

What rapper ever said he hated all women and encouraged hatred  of all women.

 

lol are you being serious?

 

the thing that amuses me about this though is how i never see feminists attacking rap... bizarre



Emperorbach said:
Lawlight said:

Then it makes sense why you would say that. You want to be able to say racist things because you're "oppressed"...

oh lol i dont say racist thing , MY POINT is telling the opressed how react to their situation for me is shallow, it isnt addressing the root problem which is there is a structural and class problem in society , telling them naaaa dont hate the society that makes you feel lesser then cause you are of a diffferent sex and skin color isnt the way , and it doesnt bother me as i have advantages , the way forward is addressing and fixing these issues

but people are super dismissive of the struggls women and minorities face , even amaong themsleves despite the parralels but to each his own

plus she doesnt hate men as indivuduals , she hates the society we have created and enfrced

your projecting what you want on me without knowing me

 

"people are super dismissive of the struggls women"

 

well feminism wouldn't be such a prominant ideology if that was the case... but what struggles are you talking abouut specifically?

 

"she hates the society we have created and enfrced"

 

lol this thing again... there will never be a perfect society where everyone is happy and never has to suffer and everytime it has been attempted disaster followed which caused even more death, more pain and more suffering

 

that is why feminist are so delusional... because this current iteration of their ideology is rooted in the desire for a utopia



Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

Didn't say that. I said that you have an indifference to feminists being sexist and misandric.

I hate that excuse "they're not real feminists". She represents feminists because she identifies herself as one. Feminists are not voting into the club. To the world, she's a feminist because she says she is one. That's all that really matters because whatever actions she takes or words she says, colors how people see feminism. It's no different than how islamic terrorists represent the Islamic religion or how a whore mongering christian represents christainity. Saying someone is not a part of the group they identify with because they are the fringe/extreme element of that group is a petty and lazy way to avoid taking responsibility for their actions or words. 

 

Its not an excuse.  Anyone can call themselves anything but it does not mean that they actually are.  There are pure white people that say they are black and there are pure black people that say they are white but just because they proclaim it does not make it true.  There are people that say they are Christian but do not practice the religion and that is the same for a lot of different religion.   So what if she identifies herself as a feminist, if she doesn't know the first thing what the term means she is just another imposter.  

 

If I take the time to actually do my research and see what a Feminist actually believe in, nothing from the first feminist to your current one states anything about hating men.  Instead it’s about women rights and wanting to be considered equal.  So if someone decides to throw their own personal opinion about hating men and claim this is a feminist view, I believe I am intelligent enough to know that this probably is one person opinion amount thousands who do not share that view.  The key is being intelligent about anything people say instead of just believing something from someone else mouth because they state it.  Its the difference between a person who follow anything someone says and someone who takes the time to know.

So no, I do not believe this young girl is actually a feminist but instead is using the term as a means to preach her own agenda.  

 

"If I take the time to actually do my research and see what a Feminist actually believe in, nothing from the first feminist to your current one states anything about hating men."


do you also disregard the statistic feminist use that states that generally 1 in every 3 college women are raped?

that isn't some offhand statistic used by a handful but a widely used statistic



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Emperorbach said:

see thats the problem , we arent talking of 3rd or arhcaic oppression , it has evolved as society has evolved, its them getting paid less, treated worse in some ways simply becuase they are women , harrasment on the streets, not being able to do some jobs, rape culture and more, media that reinforces negative sterotypes and more

ALSO WHITE WOMEN=/=ALL women

women of color and minorities also exist, and there is such a thing as intersectionaility

care to explain in western countries that despite having the same level of experience or same position , women still earn less than their male counterparts

the WEST is way better than the developing world but there are alot of underlyring issues that are festering and being overlooked

there is deep rooted sexism and racism that has been veiled in civilites, heck you can see it in the brexit matter

The evidence that women get paid less is incredibly sketchy. There are a variety of studies on it. Some find a difference, some don't. This recent one concluded that no difference between pay for the same jobs exists: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/gender-pay-gap-does-not-exist-between-men-and-women-doing-the-sa/

Most of the studies that find a difference in pay don't break down the job descriptions very accurately or don't account for different amount of hours worked (men tend to work more hours)

As for the other issues. Yes, in some areas women get treated worse. But in some they get treated better. So you need to balance that out rather than just look at 1 side. "Harassment" is one of those issues. Yes, women have to deal with more unwanted attention. But the flip side of that is that women have to make a less effort to find a partner. Feminists never look at this. They just take 1 side of an imbalance and declare sexism. Well that's not sexism it's just difference. Plenty of men would happily get more unwanted attention if it means they had to put less energy into attracting the opposite sex. It can certainly be annoying if you're an attractive woman who gets too much attention. But it can equally be annoying if you're a man who lacks confidence and can never do well with women.

As for rape culture: Hahahahahahaha.



the_dark_lewd said:
Emperorbach said:

see thats the problem , we arent talking of 3rd or arhcaic oppression , it has evolved as society has evolved, its them getting paid less, treated worse in some ways simply becuase they are women , harrasment on the streets, not being able to do some jobs, rape culture and more, media that reinforces negative sterotypes and more

ALSO WHITE WOMEN=/=ALL women

women of color and minorities also exist, and there is such a thing as intersectionaility

care to explain in western countries that despite having the same level of experience or same position , women still earn less than their male counterparts

the WEST is way better than the developing world but there are alot of underlyring issues that are festering and being overlooked

there is deep rooted sexism and racism that has been veiled in civilites, heck you can see it in the brexit matter

The evidence that women get paid less is incredibly sketchy. There are a variety of studies on it. Some find a difference, some don't. This recent one concluded that no difference between pay for the same jobs exists: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/gender-pay-gap-does-not-exist-between-men-and-women-doing-the-sa/

Most of the studies that find a difference in pay don't break down the job descriptions very accurately or don't account for different amount of hours worked (men tend to work more hours)

As for the other issues. Yes, in some areas women get treated worse. But in some they get treated better. So you need to balance that out rather than just look at 1 side. "Harassment" is one of those issues. Yes, women have to deal with more unwanted attention. But the flip side of that is that women have to make a less effort to find a partner. Feminists never look at this. They just take 1 side of an imbalance and declare sexism. Well that's not sexism it's just difference. Plenty of men would happily get more unwanted attention if it means they had to put less energy into attracting the opposite sex.

As for rape culture: Hahahahahahaha.

Also, the same unwanted attention also led to favouritism in some evaluations in school or work (being lenience or undeserved promotions consequences sometimes). Some people only want the good part of everything without any drawback.



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Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

Didn't say that. I said that you have an indifference to feminists being sexist and misandric.

I hate that excuse "they're not real feminists". She represents feminists because she identifies herself as one. Feminists are not voting into the club. To the world, she's a feminist because she says she is one. That's all that really matters because whatever actions she takes or words she says, colors how people see feminism. It's no different than how islamic terrorists represent the Islamic religion or how a whore mongering christian represents christainity. Saying someone is not a part of the group they identify with because they are the fringe/extreme element of that group is a petty and lazy way to avoid taking responsibility for their actions or words. 

 

Its not an excuse.  Anyone can call themselves anything but it does not mean that they actually are.  There are pure white people that say they are black and there are pure black people that say they are white but just because they proclaim it does not make it true.  There are people that say they are Christian but do not practice the religion and that is the same for a lot of different religion.   So what if she identifies herself as a feminist, if she doesn't know the first thing what the term means she is just another imposter.  

 

If I take the time to actually do my research and see what a Feminist actually believe in, nothing from the first feminist to your current one states anything about hating men.  Instead it’s about women rights and wanting to be considered equal.  So if someone decides to throw their own personal opinion about hating men and claim this is a feminist view, I believe I am intelligent enough to know that this probably is one person opinion amount thousands who do not share that view.  The key is being intelligent about anything people say instead of just believing something from someone else mouth because they state it.  Its the difference between a person who follow anything someone says and someone who takes the time to know.

So no, I do not believe this young girl is actually a feminist but instead is using the term as a means to preach her own agenda.  

Here's some research for you, sir.

http://its-tmw.tumblr.com/post/118107687727/nope-actually-if-you-did-some-research-you-would



Majin-Tenshinhan said:
 

Here's some research for you, sir.

http://its-tmw.tumblr.com/post/118107687727/nope-actually-if-you-did-some-research-you-would

That is all sorts of terrifying. Here in Sweden, they put on a show where an actress performed the SCUM manifesto, one journalist/author gave the performance a fairly bad review, the actress proceeded to harass him over the phone, threaten and even show up at his house (which was quite a long drive away). Reviews of the play were printed in all major papers but this incident was never mentioned in mainstream press and no one was willing to listen to his story, meanwhile she was lauded for her efforts both on and off stage.

Those quotes are something else though, damn. The problem with all "-ism's" is that so much is subjective, the same goes for racism as well, some groups take upon themselves to define and decide what different terms entail, or even come up with brand new terms of their own to cover certain subjects, appearances or behavior, this is problematic for several reasons, the most obvious being that these movements themselves must become consensus driven, which sort of deflates the whole "protecting the smaller voices" motto. A slight paradox of most far-left movements across the globe; their voice will inevitably turn against their own in one way or another and when dealing in absolutes and ultimatum only, this becomes a huge issue and causes friction.

My main gripe with modern feminism is the turn it has taken towards censorship, turning a blind eye to blatant injustice so long as it's not directly disadvantageous to women, or even causing or encouraging it in some cases, in order to "tip the scales", it boils down to a perpetual argument over semantics and moral principles, same goes for discussion on racism, which is usually closely tied. Any and all members of any minority who disagrees with definitions and ideology is shut down, ignored or even threatened in some cases. There is no room for nuance in the utopian society modern feminists want to build, and the tools with which one tries to achieve equality are grossly incapable of doing the job, or simply morally obtuse. One great example in a Swedish paper called Metro (a free, highly left-oriented paper you get at the metro stations, as the name implies) writing an article about how around 87% of all students at the dentist studies at universities were now female and how this was good for equality. I showed a colleague of mine the article and asked his opinion, he agreed with the piece, I asked if he didn't see it as better for equality if there was 50/50 male/female students at said studies, he didn't understand me and simply answered that "But men dominate in other areas."
That's when I realized how deeply ingrained the issue is within even intelligent people here (he's a smart guy), and he didn't fathom when I stated that this is the exact problem and by simply replacing men with women as the dominant force and presence, we're just making another construct that is unfair to sexes.

On the same note, people are a lot more accepting of violence from the far left than the far right, it is seen as more benign violence, the ultimate display of ends justifying the means. Again; no nuances allowed.

One last story, again from work, same person I was talking to before. They had the Eurovision Song Contest here, only a mile from my house actually, about a month back or so. The Norwegian contestant, who is also Sami, wanted the Sami flag to be showed during her performance, but the committee denied her that for some reason, my co-workers said that it was because no one wanted the event to become a "political thing". I pointed out that the rainbow flag was allowed and that the rules stated that any member of the UN can show their flag during the show, that's really, really political. They argued that the rainbow flag was an excpetion and represents an oppressed minority, I reminded them that Sami are as well, and a much smaller one at that, and I implied that the contest was suggesting we create a hierarchy of minorities within which your value was measured against that of minorities and that the reason the contestant didn't get any Swedish support was that the Sami are not generally in the media, they're not in the town square shouting or trying to shut down those who disagree and they don't write blogs or tweet about the oppression they've suffered. I also implied that this very fact showed that were all fairly ill informed and rely too much on mainstream media for their opinions and views.

Sorry for the rant. It's related to the subject though, the artist mentioned in the OP is rarely, if ever, challenged in mainstream media here, even when she says stupid things, and she's given way too much credit for intellectual capacity. The same has happened with a (fairly dimwitted) blogger in my home country, she has newspapers and outlets defending her every move as well, and she's basically just parrotting what others have said before, only in a less eloquent manner.



d21lewis said:
She'll change her mind when there's a spider in her bathroom.

Or a big cockroach. LOL