I'm not an immigrant, lol. 

American is a violent society period, sadly. Which other developed country has had a recent sitting president get shot, and another one of its most popular president's ever have his head blown off? And then his brother was shot and killed too. Which other developed country has school shootings pretty much on the regular? In which country was John Lennon killed in? Martin Luther King? Just this weekend we had a guy drive to a concert to shoot the 22-year-old singer in the face, killing her, and blowing his own head off. 

It's terrible, but violence seems to be endemic with it as a society. I don't even know what the solution in the US is, gun violence and mass shootings are just a regular part of society now. 

When's the last Buddhist attack by the way? Mexican Catholic? Sikh? Hindu? Taoist? So I think your statement there is disingenious, the vast majority of American immigrants are not Muslims to begin with. 

What do we do about this! I can't stand it. We have to stop Isis. This has gone on way too far. Bomb those buggers off the map...is what I'd like to say but it's much more complicated than that. Something has to be done. I'm sick and tired of waking up to shootings. My deep sympathies go out to the families affected by this twisted shithead. Sorry, I'm just livid right now.

With diversity (and I mean more than racial, ethnic, and religious diversity, I also mean ideological diversity) comes conflict. I can generally agree with this sentiment that the U.S is just going to be inherently more violent, because it is much larger than European nation-states, in fact one can't really say the U.S is a nation-state, but something rather unique to the Anglosphere (a federation of individuals?) One sees this in Europe as well. The more diverse the European country the higher the rate of violence. 

Remember, as much as it seems as if the U.S is just a European offspring, it has had a vastly different history and a different societal structure overall. 

1. The sources you linked are proudly biased and only reply stories that support their already held beliefs. Which is why they report individual stories, rather than actual data.

2. You are much more likely to be assaulted or killed by someone you know than by someone breaking into your home. This idea that gun owners are defending themselves from the outside world is misguided.

3. You are significantly more likely to be killed in your own home (both intentionally or accidentally) if there is a gun in the home. 

Guns make people feel safer. But they make them less safe.

http://m.aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

Eh, Britain is one of the most diverse countries in europe, it has a murder rate of 1.0, the european average is 3.0.

I think I dropped one on you.

What do you know about my backgroud huh?

We aren't sure this is connected with ISIS, but it certainly is connected with Islam. 

I don't personally think restricting immigration is the solution, but I do like the idea that when immigrants come they are given some education on the liberal values in which the society they are entering has structure itself. It needs to be taught that raping your wife is not allowed, gay people are going to have rights and it won't be made illegal, and there is going to be a lot of things that are ungodly to your eyes. If you don't like it, don't come. So basically from a young age, possibly have special classes for the children of immigrants with the goal of integration. 

I could see how this is politically untenable though, but not any more than restricting immigration. 

I also think there needs to be more pressure on liberal muslims (as there is on christians) to reform their muslim families/friends and not perpetuate illiberal ideas. Muslims can say Christians do it too all they want, but 52% of modern Christians in Britain don't believe homosexuality should be illegal, and many are even becoming okay with it morally in the U.S of all places. Muslims can follow that same path too, just as Christians had. It will take time though. 

Both of you cut it out, I strongly disagree with Slimebeast's stance on stopping immigration and at least to me some of the things he has said in this thread appear racist, as the tumblr peeps would say i've been TRIGGERED.

But there's no need to both start hurling personal insults at each other when like you say neither of you know anything about each other. Both of you calm down.

Yeah, you're right. It's disrespectful to the victims of this disaster and immature.

My apologies.

Violence is more than murder rate. But it is wrong to compare it to the European average anyway. The implicit assumption was for the same level economic prosperity, obviously poverty is the largest factor influencing violent crime. Even then, it still stands though. Relatively homogenous countries like Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Slovenia, etc  have even lower crime rates than Britain.