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vivster on 12 June 2016
sc94597 said:
vivster said:

It's not strange, just statistics. There are so many shootings in the US every week, it's bound to happen in the same city in the same week. It probably happens even more frequently because shootings aren't even widely reported anymore. Something that happens every day is just not newsworthy.

Americans can defend their gun culture all day long. Their main argument is that it would not help. But would it do any harm to have at least basic common sense laws like background checks and bans on guns in certain public places? But instead some states are even loosening their gun safety laws because more guns is always better than less guns amiright? The joke is that the vast majority of the population including gun owners are for stricter gun laws. But the gun lobby is too strong and politicians just love to pander to radical minorities.

Guns are not the main reason for these disasters. They're just the symptom of a broken political system rife with corruption, a broken partisan judicial system and the indoctrination of their youth with nationalism, religion and radical ideologies so that it will never have a chance to change.

The bolded already exist nationwide, there is a lot of misinformation that is spread about what American gun laws do or do not exist. When there are 320+ million guns having more guns in the right hands is the only solution to protect law-abiding people. As has been said, by practically every American who has posted in this thread, gun crime is limited to certain areas of cities where drug activity is rampant. The majority of homicides are between these criminals, as unfortunate as that is. You can't put a dent in the gun supply of criminals. 

Terrorism is a separate issue, that all countries, regardless of their gun control policies have issues with. 

As someone who closely follows American politics I would like to disagree. As purported by every gun expert in the world, more civilians with guns will not solve gun violence. Because most civilians with guns aren't even able to effectively use them in an emergency. Gun control will do what it's supposed to do, limiting gun possession and gun availability.

If no civilian in the US would have a gun except for criminals you would not have more gun deaths, you would have a lot less. And if guns are less distributed it will be easier to track down illegal guns.

Saying that stricter laws will not do anything is a fallacy. It's like saying we don't need police because they can't prevent every crime.



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Boutros on 12 June 2016

"Urgent appeal for blood donations but gay men are restricted to donate"

roflmao



hershel_layton on 12 June 2016
sc94597 said:
hershel_layton said:
Minute I saw shooting, I knew it was going to be a Muslim. I rarely see shootings from non muslims reach huge headlines :/ You know what though? It's annoying how this is suddenly every muslim's fault, but when a christian goes ape shit and shoots people, there's always an excuse. He was young, got bullied, etc etc. Can we admit both groups are crazy? Also, seeing this makes me realize why we can't be super open with guns. We need some sort of restriction. It's unforunate, but that's life.

How often and to what extent do Christians kill people because of their religious beliefs and get away with it?  There are plenty of fundamentalist Christians who don't like gay people, but I can't think of one in recent ages that has gone and killed them at this scale or in this manner? The recent abortion clinic shooting was by a christian man, and the media (and president) rightly outed him as such. 

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/01/3727084/yes-the-planned-parenthood-shooter-was-a-christian-terrorist/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-lewis-dear-planned-parenthood_us_56600928e4b08e945fee21d0

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/us/robert-dear-planned-parenthood-shooting.html?_r=0

I don't think anybody is addressing all Muslims either, but it is obvious that like Christianity, there is a ton of hateful stuff taught and spread (and not only to the "extremists") - and just as we oppose Christianity's spread of hate we should also oppose Islam's spread of hate, we all live in secular societies afterall. 

Without a doubt. I don't like seeing all of this nonsense, whether if it's from a muslim, christian, buddhist, atheist, or any other group.

 

Also, what if the dude was simply crazy? Maybe he just went nuts 



 

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hershel_layton on 12 June 2016
chapset said:
This is the worst mass shooting in the US history? 50 people dead goddamn

That's the US for you. Things like this are groundbreaking news, while devastating earthquakes and bombings are ignored 



 

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AnthonyW86 on 12 June 2016

Looks like someone took the song by Electric Six a bit to seriously, the "let's start a war" part that is.



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sc94597 on 12 June 2016
vivster said:
sc94597 said:

The bolded already exist nationwide, there is a lot of misinformation that is spread about what American gun laws do or do not exist. When there are 320+ million guns having more guns in the right hands is the only solution to protect law-abiding people. As has been said, by practically every American who has posted in this thread, gun crime is limited to certain areas of cities where drug activity is rampant. The majority of homicides are between these criminals, as unfortunate as that is. You can't put a dent in the gun supply of criminals. 

Terrorism is a separate issue, that all countries, regardless of their gun control policies have issues with. 

As someone who closely follows American politics I would like to disagree. As purported by every gun expert in the world, more civilians with guns will not solve gun violence. Because most civilians with guns aren't even able to effectively use them in an emergency. Gun control will do what it's supposed to do, limiting gun possession and gun availability.

If no civilian in the US would have a gun except for criminals you would not have more gun deaths, you would have a lot less. And if guns are less distributed it will be easier to track down illegal guns.

Saying that stricter laws will not do anything is a fallacy. It's like saying we don't need police because they can't prevent every crime.

I never implied (nor explicitly said) it would solve gun violence. Homicide rates will continue to decline (which is at a respectable rate) at the rate they've been unless something drastic is done about U.S poverty rates and the war on drugs. 

My concern is that the right people (those who just want to defend themselves) are able to secure their right to do so. These are the people most disproportionally affected by gun control, not the criminals. 

You can't limit gun possession and gun availiability in the U.S. That ship has already sailed. Most people who commit violent crimes get their guns illegally already. 

Stricter laws will definitely do something. They will hurt the people who most deserve to own weapons. 



WolfpackN64 on 12 June 2016
Slimebeast said:

What the hell? How often do you see devote christians commit terrorist attacks?

And who said it was "every muslim's" fault?

So fucking dishonest.

Just another reason we need to close the borders and stop all immigration to the West.

That's just idiotic. The man was born in the US.

Radicalizing against gay people in the US isn't that hard. Watch Fox News, hear a few GOP people talk drivvle and there you go.

Don't be such a simpleton.

 

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vivster on 12 June 2016
sc94597 said:
vivster said:

As someone who closely follows American politics I would like to disagree. As purported by every gun expert in the world, more civilians with guns will not solve gun violence. Because most civilians with guns aren't even able to effectively use them in an emergency. Gun control will do what it's supposed to do, limiting gun possession and gun availability.

If no civilian in the US would have a gun except for criminals you would not have more gun deaths, you would have a lot less. And if guns are less distributed it will be easier to track down illegal guns.

Saying that stricter laws will not do anything is a fallacy. It's like saying we don't need police because they can't prevent every crime.

I never implied (nor explicitly said) it would solve gun violence. Homicide rates will continue to decline (which is at a respectable rate) at the rate they've been unless something drastic is done about U.S poverty rates and the war on drugs. 

My concern is that the right people (those who just want to defend themselves) are able to secure their right to do so. These are the people most disproportionally affected by gun control, not the criminals. 

You can't limit gun possession and gun availiability in the U.S. That ship has already saled. Most people who commit violent crimes get their guns illegally already. 

Stricter laws will definitely do something. They will hurt the people who most deserve to own weapons. 

The sailed ship mentality is certainly not helpful either. Just shows how broken everything is.

Let me ask you this. Are there more lives saved by civil gun ownership or more deaths caused by it? And I'm not talking about criminals.

The sad truth is, a gun will not protect your life or that of your family if you are actually attacked because the attacker will always shoot first. Protecting anything with your gun is a tall tale the gun lobby loves to tell to sell more guns to people. And apparently a lot of people are eating that bullshit up.



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barneystinson69 on 12 June 2016
hershel_layton said:
Minute I saw shooting, I knew it was going to be a Muslim. I rarely see shootings from non muslims reach huge headlines :/ You know what though? It's annoying how this is suddenly every muslim's fault, but when a christian goes ape shit and shoots people, there's always an excuse. He was young, got bullied, etc etc. Can we admit both groups are crazy? Also, seeing this makes me realize why we can't be super open with guns. We need some sort of restriction. It's unforunate, but that's life.

Guess I'll have fun with more random "security" checks from here on out. I'm predicting 7 breaking news terror attacks from now to the end of the month. I'm also predicting around 15 breaking news terror attacks from now to the elections for the US.

Maybe if muslims weren't at the forefront of these attacks so often, maybe then it would be different. When was the last time a christan group committed an attack in the middle east? You don't see christans going into gay clubs and killing 50 people, even if they don't agree with it.  And restrictions on guns? That'll just make it harder for the reponsible people to get it, it'll just go underground to criminals! 



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barneystinson69 on 12 June 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
Slimebeast said:

What the hell? How often do you see devote christians commit terrorist attacks?

And who said it was "every muslim's" fault?

So fucking dishonest.

Just another reason we need to close the borders and stop all immigration to the West.

That's just idiotic. The man was born in the US.

Radicalizing against gay people in the US isn't that hard. Watch Fox News, hear a few GOP people talk drivvle and there you go.

Don't be such a simpleton.

Fox news doesn't encourage people to kill gays...

There was clearly radicalization from elsewhere, and we'll find out soon enough.



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