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[vivster]

sc94597 said:

vivster said:

As someone who closely follows American politics I would like to disagree. As purported by every gun expert in the world, more civilians with guns will not solve gun violence. Because most civilians with guns aren't even able to effectively use them in an emergency. Gun control will do what it's supposed to do, limiting gun possession and gun availability.

If no civilian in the US would have a gun except for criminals you would not have more gun deaths, you would have a lot less. And if guns are less distributed it will be easier to track down illegal guns.

Saying that stricter laws will not do anything is a fallacy. It's like saying we don't need police because they can't prevent every crime.

I never implied (nor explicitly said) it would solve gun violence. Homicide rates will continue to decline (which is at a respectable rate) at the rate they've been unless something drastic is done about U.S poverty rates and the war on drugs. 

My concern is that the right people (those who just want to defend themselves) are able to secure their right to do so. These are the people most disproportionally affected by gun control, not the criminals. 

You can't limit gun possession and gun availiability in the U.S. That ship has already saled. Most people who commit violent crimes get their guns illegally already. 

Stricter laws will definitely do something. They will hurt the people who most deserve to own weapons. 

The sailed ship mentality is certainly not helpful either. Just shows how broken everything is.

Let me ask you this. Are there more lives saved by civil gun ownership or more deaths caused by it? And I'm not talking about criminals.

The sad truth is, a gun will not protect your life or that of your family if you are actually attacked because the attacker will always shoot first. Protecting anything with your gun is a tall tale the gun lobby loves to tell to sell more guns to people. And apparently a lot of people are eating that bullshit up.