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fatslob-:O said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1.  You are free to argue against it, but you'd be wrong.

2&3.  So you've gone from "subjective" to admitting it is "objective".  Very good.  Trump is aimless and clueless.

4.  Thanks for the list of vague, often contradictory statements.  Here's another one: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-contradictions-213869  Trump has no stance, no convictions and no integrity.

5. No, the rich are the ones who benefit most from his tax "plan". http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-donald-trumps-tax-plan  Who knows, though?  He's flip-flopped so many times there's no telling what his tax "plan" would look like if he ever actually settles on one.  The Joker is more consistent.

6.  They have voiced numerous criticisms throughout his campaign.  

7.  you said "People care about america in their own ways", so by your very words you agree that there are people who will vouch for Clinton against Trump for that very reason.  Because they care about America.  This is where you quietly concede that you've lost. :)

 

If your convictions see Trump as diamtrically opposed to them, it would not violate one's integrity to cast a ballot with the intent to keep him out of office.  It's too bad you couldn't comprehend that, I had such faith in you.

Why so condescending ? 

1. It's not so uncommon that people can't see the other side afterall ... 

2 & 3. There you go again getting yourself into the pissing match ... 

4. Just admit that you were patently wrong about him having no stance, passing a lie doesn't help your case ... 

5. Analysis =/= Evidence, Statement = Claim so I'll take words of a nonpolitician over some paper ... 

6. Then why isn't #NeverSanders trending higher despite getting less votes than either Clinton or Trump in the primaries ? 

7. It also means to be not so arrogant and highly parroting against the opposing side but it's no wonder that the #NeverTrump camp couldn't see that and get so extremely self-absorbed in their own superiority complex ... (No wonder I find Trump supporters to be 100x more humble than Clinton supporters and 10x more humble than Sanders supporters.) As for quietly conceding, I mean that after election results. Win or lose, one side is going to have shut it no matter how loud they get ...  

Cowardice =/= Integrity ... 

I wonder if Sanders supporters are are willing to opt in for Ted Cruz as the democratic nominee if it weren't Clinton just to spite Trump or will their hatred keep clouding their judgement ? *rolls eyes*

1. If you can picture a Flat-Earther saying that to an astronaut, you might understand why I, like the astronaut, am unmoved by the statement.

2&3. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

4. Your cognitive dissonance is showing. 

5. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

6. Because his approval ratings are much higher than his opponents'. People are less inclined to antagonize those they approve of.  Simple, really.

7. Invent all the contexts you want--your statement agreed with mine.  

 

Bored now.  Lost faith in you. Bye!



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SuaveSocialist said:

1. If you can picture a Flat-Earther saying that to an astronaut, you might understand why I, like the astronaut, am unmoved by the statement.

2&3. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

4. Your cognitive dissonance is showing. 

5. Your cognitive dissonance is showing.

6. Because his approval ratings are much higher than his opponents'. People are less inclined to antagonize those they approve of.  Simple, really.

7. Invent all the contexts you want--your statement agreed with mine.  

 

Bored now.  Lost faith in you. Bye!

1. Likewise, you could argue opinions in politics and you can never be more correct than anyone else ... 

So utterly disappointing that you couldn't tolerate the other side but I guess radicalism is common going by your name ... 

6. Approval ratings mean crap when Donald Trump defeated all of his opponents which had higher ratings but I guess you'll learn it the hard way once the polling weapons you guys so cherish will be used against you ... 

7. Context is all that matters but I guess that's what happens when you have a system that doesn't put in any incentives to aim for higher aspirations in being educated ...

Got it so you can't address any of my arguments and instead you have to save face by making blatantly false statements ... 



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Donald Trump is the legendary American success story. Trump started from a humble beginning and he has worked hard to achieve great success in his life. America was built on the foundation of hard work. Trump will work hard as President to strengthen American economy. Trump is a proven stong business leader and he is the best candidate to lead America as President. 

I hope you are joking about both bolded parts.  Trump's dad was rich and set Trump up.  He has had many bankruptcies and ran a scam called Trump University.  He also ran the USFL into the ground by supporting the USFL move from a spring schedule to the fall to try and get a merger with the NFL.  The USFL was actually doing good with a spring schedule but he wanted the merger to happen asap and in turn ruined the USFL.  His dreams of owning a NFL team through a USFL - NFL merger ruined an entire league.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/03/trumps-false-claim-he-built-his-empire-with-a-small-loan-from-his-father/

"Trump’s claim that he built a real-estate fortune out of a “small” $1 million loan is simply not credible. He benefited from numerous loans and loan guarantees, as well as his father’s connections, to make the move into Manhattan. His father also set up lucrative trusts to provide steady income. When Donald Trump became overextended in the casino business, his father bailed him out with a shady casino-chip loan—and Trump also borrowed $9 million against his future inheritance. While Trump asserts “it has not been easy for me,” he glosses over the fact that his father paved the way for his success — and that his father bailed him out when he got into trouble."



Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Donald Trump is the legendary American success story. Trump started from a humble beginning and he has worked hard to achieve great success in his life. America was built on the foundation of hard work. Trump will work hard as President to strengthen American economy. Trump is a proven stong business leader and he is the best candidate to lead America as President. 

After reading on the BBC website today how he's scammed thousands/millions from not paying people, he's more a con artist rather than a strong business leader.

Hilary might be dry, boring and a little dodgy, but Trump Trumps that.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Donald Trump is the legendary American success story. Trump started from a humble beginning and he has worked hard to achieve great success in his life. America was built on the foundation of hard work. Trump will work hard as President to strengthen American economy. Trump is a proven stong business leader and he is the best candidate to lead America as President. 

Your statement is true only in the context of Multiverse Theory. 
In our universe though, your statement describes the opposite of reality.

His "humble beginnings" were of incredible weath and every conceivable advantage one can have at birth.  Combined with vast sums given to him from his dad and his father's connections, there is nothing humble about it. 

His "strong business" leadership led to the financial ruin of half a dozen or so of his own businesses, four bankruptcies, and he was dependent on mafia ties plus blatant scams to draw in money.

Whatever parallel universe you're speaking of, it shares little resemblance of this one.



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Both make bleach want to drink itself.....



Kzoellner said:
Both make bleach want to drink itself.....

Does that count as double suicide?  gg wp



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Firstly I'm an Australian so I cannot vote in the US general election.
Hypothetically though if I could vote I would vote for Trump.

I have a few reasons for this. Hillary has shown time and again that she is a hawk on foreign policy and an incompetent one at that. She voted for the Iraq war and presided over the Benghazi screw up. Furthermore she has continuously demonstrated her willingness to lie to the American people. In addition she is clearly the establishment candidate as the undemocratic no pun intended super-delegate support for her illustrates.

As for Trump, one thing we know for sure is that he is not part of the establishment. It seems obvious that the only reason he succeeded is due to the disfranchisement of the average republican voter. Also once you get past his coloruful language you may realise that he is not the second coming of Hitler as he is portrayed in much of the media including that of Australia. The insinuation that Trump can somehow kick out millions of people if he becomes president is ludicrous hyperbole as the US system contains within it substantial checks and balances which in turn makes it virtually impossible to act like a dictator.
And finally one of the main reasons I would vote for Trump is that he says what's on his mind. He provides a realistic view of America's problems and that is refreshing when compared to others who are perfectly aware of the issues but refuse to even recognise that America is caught up in an economic and social spiral.

For the record though I believe Hillary will win and the world will have to put up with the second Clinton dynasty. That will in turn lead to more wars internationally while the social cohesion of America further deteriorates on the domestic front.



 

 

Hillary's hawkishness is one of the reasons I'd rather not have her win the bloody prize. It's better to have Trump as POTUS and keep the mess at home...



Johnw1104 said:
Normchacho said:
Hillary easy. I'm not excited about it. But at least she's a normal human being. Donald Trump is actually a bad person.

If that's your standard then I fear you don't have a horse in this race haha

I must say, though, that I believe you're the first person to ever refer to Hilary as a "normal human being". :p

Lol no kidding. Bernie seemed like a decent human being, like his politics or not. 

 

These two are rather descpicable. 



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