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So few mentions of Gary Johnson.. Sad.



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mrstickball said:
So few mentions of Gary Johnson.. Sad.

That's where I'm throwing my vote this time around... I just can't bring myself to permanently affix my name alongside Trump or Clinton.



Johnw1104 said:
mrstickball said:
So few mentions of Gary Johnson.. Sad.

That's where I'm throwing my vote this time around... I just can't bring myself to permanently affix my name alongside Trump or Clinton.

The nice thing is his voting base is 50/50 dem/rep, so he you can't get accused of trying to tilt the election for one or the other... Despite the fact many people would accuse you of such



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mrstickball said:
Johnw1104 said:

That's where I'm throwing my vote this time around... I just can't bring myself to permanently affix my name alongside Trump or Clinton.

The nice thing is his voting base is 50/50 dem/rep, so he you can't get accused of trying to tilt the election for one or the other... Despite the fact many people would accuse you of such

For a lot of people he seems to be the "Wtf just happened?" candidate for those shell shocked voters who can't imagine voting for either lol

I suppose if you want a stopgap, a libertarian is, by his/her nature, a decent choice as they promise you won't hear from them very often haha



Branko2166 said:
Firstly I'm an Australian so I cannot vote in the US general election.
Hypothetically though if I could vote I would vote for Trump.

I have a few reasons for this. Hillary has shown time and again that she is a hawk on foreign policy and an incompetent one at that. She voted for the Iraq war and presided over the Benghazi screw up. Furthermore she has continuously demonstrated her willingness to lie to the American people. In addition she is clearly the establishment candidate as the undemocratic no pun intended super-delegate support for her illustrates.

As for Trump, one thing we know for sure is that he is not part of the establishment. It seems obvious that the only reason he succeeded is due to the disfranchisement of the average republican voter. Also once you get past his coloruful language you may realise that he is not the second coming of Hitler as he is portrayed in much of the media including that of Australia. The insinuation that Trump can somehow kick out millions of people if he becomes president is ludicrous hyperbole as the US system contains within it substantial checks and balances which in turn makes it virtually impossible to act like a dictator.
And finally one of the main reasons I would vote for Trump is that he says what's on his mind. He provides a realistic view of America's problems and that is refreshing when compared to others who are perfectly aware of the issues but refuse to even recognise that America is caught up in an economic and social spiral.

For the record though I believe Hillary will win and the world will have to put up with the second Clinton dynasty. That will in turn lead to more wars internationally while the social cohesion of America further deteriorates on the domestic front.

Three quick points. 
1.  If Bernie had more delegates and/or more popular vote I am pretty sure the superdelegates would back him; he does not have either, so they won't.  Even if you disagree about what they would do if Bernie was ahead with the people, the fact remains that he isn't and won't be by the time of the convention, so I wouldn't say they made the result undemocratic in this case (or historically). 

2.  Having as President a man who is trying as hard as possible to be a dictator is bad even if he is doomed to fail; I reject your argument on this ground. 

3.  Saying what's on your mind is in and of itself a good thing but when what's on your mind is horrible that doesn't make a good potential President. 

"I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding." - Donald Trump



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I would vote for Trump if i could, Hillary is wicked and dangerous for the entire world, shes a warmongerer in sheeps cloths



Obviously Trump. We need to break the left wing grip on American society and combat political correctness and cultural Marxism. We need to keep the beacon of this world unique.



AsGryffynn said:
fatslob-:O said:

That would depend if your anti-establishment or you could be in the #NeverHillary camp ... 

I can see some common appeal between Trump and sanders but they are very different beasts ... 

Sanders is full on socialist whereas Trump is a regular moderate conservative ... 

If it were between Sanders and Clinton I would pick the former just on the basis that he goes against the government ... 

Both Trump and Sanders are the governments worst enemy whereas Clinton is their best friend ... 

 

Final-Fan said:

I would tentatively infer that you are very strongly against the establishment politicians, but recognize the fact that Trump is a lunatic of a candidate (thus preferring Sanders), yet hate the establishment even more (thus Trump over Clinton by a long way).  You figure that whatever Trump breaks, he's at least going to get things done and shake up Washington.  Am I close? 

Bullseye. Over here, the amount of government politicians holding power is overwhelming to the point it's dizzying! If I were an American, I sure as hell would vote for anyone who can scrap what's in now and flip the white house upside down. I can't do that here sadly, at least not until Brexit makes Europe too fragile and unstable (without the UK, only France and Germany are left, and France is only on this because the UK is on it and they are too close not to try and benefit from their gains and losses). Then I might be able to go back to Catalonia and vote out. 

Don't take your chances guys. The "government" has become it's own side, so anti establishment, whether left or right, is better than what is in charge right now... 

Amen.

The EU must be destroyed, Catalonia and Scottland be made free again and all the European peoples must regain their independence.