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I guess you wouldn't be so chill about this if some creepy ass dude took advantage of you while you're drunk.



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gatito said:
I guess you wouldn't be so chill about this if some creepy ass dude took advantage of you while you're drunk.

Who's chilled about it?

I myself think you're a pretty huge prick if you're sober and have sex with people who are wasted. 



 

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12/22/2016- Made a bet with Ganoncrotch that the first 6 months of 2017 will be worse than 2016. A poll will be made to determine the winner. Loser has to take a picture of them imitating their profile picture.

It’s not rape if you yell surprise, then it’s a gift.
All seriousness, Rape is when sex is forced on you and you don’t want it. If you’re drunk and allow someone to have sex with you then no it’s not Rape. If you were drugged that’s a different story.



Aeolus451 said:
forest-spirit said:

Right. Good luck with that...

 

For someone borderline obsessed by our country and how messed up we are it's remarkable how little you actually know about us. But I guess flinging arguments left and right and hoping something sticks is easier than doing some actual research. 

Sweden has one of the highest cases of rapes per year in the world because it's definition of what rape is broader than the rest of the world. If you sleep with a woman that was drinking even a little bit and she's says you took advantage of her, you're considered a rapist and you're screwed in a bad way this time.

"This excerpt is an unofficial translation, provided by the Ministry of Justice, of the 2014 legal definition of rape:

A person who by assault or other violence or by threat of a criminal act forces another person to have sexual intercourse or to undertake or endure another sexual act that, in view of the seriousness of the violation, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years. This also applies if a person engages with another person in sexual intercourse or in a sexual act which under the first paragraph is comparable to sexual intercourse by improperly exploiting that the person, due to unconsciousness, sleep, serious fear, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, physical injury or mental disturbance, or otherwise in view of the circumstances, is in a particularly vulnerable situation."

What were you saying?

That text doesn't seem to support your claim though. Drinking just a little bit does not put you in a particularly vulnerable situation. Or do you also believe that having sex with someone who has a slight cold or a broken toe is enough to have a case?



Depends entirely on the situation, if she is piss drunk, she is probably suffering from short-time memory losses, also a Black out. Even though she consended to it in that condition, she is party to blame if she consider it to be rape afterwards. Also, it's not generally smart to have sex drunk for hygenic reasons like puke, it's not exactly good as it is clumsy and disgusting



 

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Barkley said:
You are still responsible for your actions while drunk, if you commit a crime drunk it's still a crime.

If you give consent while drunk, it's still consent.

If someone intentionally gets someone else drunk so they'll sleep with then however, that's definitely pushing the boundaries.

A contract signed while one or both parties were drunk is in most cases not binding. Why can't the same principle apply to consent, which after all is sort of a similar thing?



nope



Teeqoz said:
Barkley said:
You are still responsible for your actions while drunk, if you commit a crime drunk it's still a crime.

If you give consent while drunk, it's still consent.

If someone intentionally gets someone else drunk so they'll sleep with then however, that's definitely pushing the boundaries.

A contract signed while one or both parties were drunk is in most cases not binding. Why can't the same principle apply to consent, which after all is sort of a similar thing?

Well until the law says that people that are drunk cannot give consent then it's not rape, even if it was a law does everyone have to take a breathalizer test when giving consent.

Unlike a contract sex doesn't occur over a period of time, consent is given for that particular moment only, you can cancel a contract if drunk fine, but sex has already happened, and it shouldn't be the other persons fault that the other person said they could do something and then regretted it later. There's taking advantage of someone and then there's rape, but if someone explicitly gives consent, it is consent. 

If it is rape then sex while drunk should be illegal.

You can't change your mind on consent after the act.



forest-spirit said:
Aeolus451 said:

Sweden has one of the highest cases of rapes per year in the world because it's definition of what rape is broader than the rest of the world. If you sleep with a woman that was drinking even a little bit and she's says you took advantage of her, you're considered a rapist and you're screwed in a bad way this time.

"This excerpt is an unofficial translation, provided by the Ministry of Justice, of the 2014 legal definition of rape:

A person who by assault or other violence or by threat of a criminal act forces another person to have sexual intercourse or to undertake or endure another sexual act that, in view of the seriousness of the violation, is comparable to sexual intercourse, shall be sentenced for rape to imprisonment for at least two and at most six years. This also applies if a person engages with another person in sexual intercourse or in a sexual act which under the first paragraph is comparable to sexual intercourse by improperly exploiting that the person, due to unconsciousness, sleep, serious fear, intoxication or other drug influence, illness, physical injury or mental disturbance, or otherwise in view of the circumstances, is in a particularly vulnerable situation."

What were you saying?

That text doesn't seem to support your claim though. Drinking just a little bit does not put you in a particularly vulnerable situation. Or do you also believe that having sex with someone who has a slight cold or a broken toe is enough to have a case?

It does because of interpretation. That's a part of my point. Being intoxicated or under the influence of drugs or in a particulary vulnerable situation is up to interpretation to the woman who makes a claim of rape then it's up to the interpretation of the cops/court. The wording is so loose that a giant could walk through. All it takes is for the woman to feel that she was taken advantage of in an inproper way. It's why there's such a high amount of "rapes" there. 



How the world evidently sees it today...

If you are a man having sex with a woman, nearly anything a woman doesn't like about the sex to any degree can be categorized as rape.

Men never get raped by women in the eyes of the public - unless it's a boy who hasn't hit puberty.



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