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Forums - General - Should kids have a chance to grow up and decide what gender they are, or should parents change their sex early on?

Forceing genders on them? wtf?
Your born and your either one or the other.
When your old enough to decide for yourself is a differnt matter.



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BasilZero said:
Wright said:

It should be the kid's decision.

 

Its Nature's decision.

You live with what you get.

Literally this, you can be what you want... one day you can be the president my son.... innocent child asks... can I be a mommy.... at this point the father has one answer, there is literally one answer which should come from his lips to a learning brain of a small child, and it is the one which is factually correct and will help the child to grow up to be a fully functional adult male.

Saying anything else at this very key moment in a childs development and education could be devasting, think of the same situation but the child is perched on a window ledge.... Can I be a bird and fly daddy? Dear me people, don't tell your kids to jump out a window, you are there to answer a question rooted in reality based off a learning childs curiosity not their desire to have their bits cut off and for you to get a chance to have a daughter who you don't have to worry about getting pregnant at prom.



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why stop at gender, let kids decide what species they are, or if they even identify as an animate object. 



 

tinfamous12 said:
If someone wants to change their sex that is entirely up to them and does not mean they have any serious psychological problems.

serious question is thinking youre a dog, or a table, a psychological problem? or what about being sexually attracted to cars, or trees, or even dolphins, or how about something a bit more common, being sexually attracted to children. are any of these psychological problems.

or schizophrenics, is saying the people in their head arent real, bigotry. 

im genuinly curious where we draw the line here.

or is there no line and anybody can be a 6'5" chineese woman in the 2nd grade.



 

SocialistSlayer said:
tinfamous12 said:
If someone wants to change their sex that is entirely up to them and does not mean they have any serious psychological problems.

serious question is thinking youre a dog, or a table, a psychological problem? or what about being sexually attracted to cars, or trees, or even dolphins, or how about something a bit more common, being sexually attracted to children. are any of these psychological problems.

or schizophrenics, is saying the people in their head arent real, bigotry. 

im genuinly curious where we draw the line here.

or is there no line and anybody can be a 6'5" chineese woman in the 2nd grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqTInGsyK4

Ya know... I'm not sure if I found this story stranger or less strange that he refers to the car as being Male... I mean, it really doesn't change anything just... such a normal person.



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Ganoncrotch said:
SocialistSlayer said:

serious question is thinking youre a dog, or a table, a psychological problem? or what about being sexually attracted to cars, or trees, or even dolphins, or how about something a bit more common, being sexually attracted to children. are any of these psychological problems.

or schizophrenics, is saying the people in their head arent real, bigotry. 

im genuinly curious where we draw the line here.

or is there no line and anybody can be a 6'5" chineese woman in the 2nd grade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqTInGsyK4

Ya know... I'm not sure if I found this story stranger or less strange that he refers to the car as being Male... I mean, it really doesn't change anything just... such a normal person.

well if the car self identifies as male, who are we to say it isnt...



 

Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Except there are many species of animals where females are the "alphas" quote, unquote and several species where that changes. Some species of animals even change sex. 

And homosexuality is rampant in nature with other species. In nature some species of female also bite off the head of the male and eat it during sex, lol. 

If we go by nature, a lot of religious conservatives would wind up with a stick right up their ass. If you study nature and role of sex and gender is incredibly diverse, even frightening probably to human sensibilities. 

I disagree with your examples but not your point. Humans are just one species and humans evolved a certain way where each sex fits it's certain role that's suited to them. Of course, people do what they want but that doesn't change what nature intended.  

Evolution? Women give birth, that is a biological fact and cannot be changed (yet). But how are they more fit to raise, nurture and protect a child? Short answer: they're not. That's because a man can do it just fine (except for breast milk but most people nowadays don't even like that).

If the mother dies at childbirth is the baby screwed? Oh no, you lost the one person that was naturally intended to make sure you get your diapers changed, take you to school and other womanly stuff, we might as well dump you right now because it's the natural way. Daddy can't do it, that's for sure. He's a man and is not prepared fot this kind of stuff.

So yeah, no evolution here. Man and women are not that different aside from genitals. That's from a physical standpoint. Gender on the other hand is what makes all the difference.



Puppyroach said:
axumblade said:
A parent should not be allowed to choose the gender of their child. It is all based on the comfort level of the person as their gender. Not the parents wanted a boy so they'll treat their daughter like a boy.

Should parents also not be allowed to choose a name for their child, whether or not they should go to school, whether or not they should play outside or sit at home gaming, whether or not to put themselves in harms way or know how to be safe and so on? Why is gender suddenly exempted from every other social behaviour?

@bold, no, a parent should deffinitely not be allowed to choose wether or not their kid goes to school. Absolutely not. School should be (and is most places in the western world) mandatory.

 

No one would have to choose gender identity if there were no cultural gender roles in society. But changing society into a genderblind one (not sex-blind or genitalia-blind, but gender-blind) might be harder than for those who feel they don't fit into their gender to change it. Still, I think these cultural gender roles are the real problem. if girls could act like they want and boys could act like they want without being considered a "girly-boy" or a "boyish girl" then it would hardly matter, except for those who want to have an operation to change their genitalia (which I agree is a decision that you shouldn't be able to take before you are 18.)



Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Except there are many species of animals where females are the "alphas" quote, unquote and several species where that changes. Some species of animals even change sex. 

And homosexuality is rampant in nature with other species. In nature some species of female also bite off the head of the male and eat it during sex, lol. 

If we go by nature, a lot of religious conservatives would wind up with a stick right up their ass. If you study nature and role of sex and gender is incredibly diverse, even frightening probably to human sensibilities. 

I disagree with your examples but not your point. Humans are just one species and humans evolved a certain way where each sex fits it's certain role that's suited to them. Of course, people do what they want but that doesn't change what nature intended.  

Nature didn't intend anything. Nature doesn't intend. Evolution just occurs and whatever works best will get to continue. So what works best is what will be further improved upon. However, the situation around evolution always changes and evolution often spend a couple million years to catch up if the situation changes drastically (and you can bet human society has made the situation changes bloody drastically). So right now, we as a society have to circumwent evolution. By doing that, we aren't going against what nature "intended", because a) Nature doesn't intend anything and b) It's in our "nature" to "defy" nature. Just look at your laptop and ask yourself "is that natural?" (which, btw, it actually is, due to point b) itself. Humans have naturally evolved to exploit nature in ways that couldn't occur by themselves in nature. So that sorta makes it natural after all.)



BasilZero said:
Wright said:

It should be the kid's decision.

 

Its Nature's decision.

You live with what you get.

 

Humans are a unique kind of species. They don't have to respect nature and often contradict whatever rules it has set for their own benefit. 

That answer isn't valid.