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elendar on 26 March 2008
Auron said:
oh ok if it makes all you Xbots feel better that you are getting decimated by Nintendo instead of Sony well that is just pathetic. MS failed yet another Gen. The Wii is already outselling it and MS has no chance of getting the lead back and it seems like it will fall to 3rd. Maybe third time is the charm but i say give up the console business and stick to making sub-par bug filled software.

 Decimated by Nintendo instead of Sony? Why yes that does make me feel better thank you. MS has not failed 'yet another Gen.' Infact, this generation has been far more kind. More sales and actually profit this time. As to your sub-par bug filled software. Yeah Auron I didn't expect any thing else expect for used up slander. Windows sucks bla bla. zzzzzzz



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regin2005 on 26 March 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
kowenicki said:
kowenicki said:
The important markets are the US, UK, Japan and to a lesser extent France. Not only the biggest seeling markets but also where most games are made. The southern Euro states, particularly Italy and Spain are so brand conscious it is embarrassing.... but they will eventually follow the trend elsewhere.... maybe next gen.

So how do you explain the gamecube?


Are you feeling alright?


 Uhh...did he just quote himself??



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Dno on 26 March 2008

All good points but i think sony has made their goal also. So has nintendo and to a lesser way so has microsoft. Sony and the ps3 is a complete success. Getting blu-ray the standard was number 1 thing on sony's list. sony will make billions off that and also sony has a good chance of being close to the wii sales later this gen if not 2nd place for sure. there is no way microsoft will beat the ps3 is total sales and sony is going to make money of the ps3 and blu-ray. Having one standard in place (blu-ray) makes a company way more money then having sold 100 million consoles. And there is no way Downloads will ever be the run away success blu-ray WILL be. If sales of the ps3 keep on going the way they are they will have made money off ps3 in so many ways its not even funny. Nintendo has the market again. its selling like crazy prolly made a profit on the wii already (as in the whole dev time and RND). nintendo is happy with 3rd place as long as they make money but they are in 1st and no signs of slowing down and that means more cash for them. microsoft set out the xbox to make a profit. it looks like it will. you can say they have all the money in the world but if this 360 had another 4 years of lossing cash NO WAY would good ol' bill keep it going. But xbox is the least sucessful out of the 3 (if things keep going the way they are). Most games are going on wii and if they are on xbox they will be on ps3 also. Games are catching up on ps3 sales wise to xbox and devs are looking at that. there will not be that many xbox only games from 3rd parties unless microsoft pays for them and thats gonna drain them as well. they still suck in japan so that means some of the best games are really gonna be on wii and to a lesser way the ps3. they have played the price card in "others" and now when sony drops the price they will sell a whole lot. they are going to be in 3rd place this gen no matter what. but with all the games coming out and that are already out they have a MUCH better name then last gen which is very good. Thats my take.



Mr_Anonymous_is_here on 26 March 2008
kowenicki said:

It is interesting how people have such short memories and how people can manage their own expectations to feel happier in their own little worlds.

A couple of years ago it was "The Xbox 360 has no chance of taking any significant market share, why are they even bothering", then it was "The PS3 will blow it out of the water within 12 months"... now its "The PS3 will catch it by 2010". Imagine the uproar if you had predicted Wii 23m, 360 18m, ps3 11m by April 2008 when the 360 launched.

I dont think there is any doubt that the 360 has pretty much achieved its goal, aided by the Wii I might add. Playstation is no longer the default brand of choice, gaming has changed and markets have to. Japan has become casual gaming heaven, hence the Wii rules. In the two other biggest markets, US and UK, there is now no doubt that the 360 has taken massive market share and will continue to do so (the PS3 isnt any closer in either of those markets than it was a year ago).

The Wii has changed the gaming landscape and brought new people to the gaming world. The 360 has proved that brand lotyalty is restricted to small percentages of the buying public in any product range and the gaming world is no different. The Sony propoganda of a 10 yr product lifespan is just silly, increases in technology are exponential and who knows where we will be by then.

For these reasons I think the 360 has already achieved pretty much what it set out to do and will increase market share significantly over the original Xbox figures in readiness of being first to market in the next gen. Go on..... burn me.


 Microsoft has improved significantly compared to the previous XBox console.



El Duderino on 26 March 2008
Dno said:
Getting blu-ray the standard was number 1 thing on sony's list. sony will make billions off that and also sony has a good chance of being close to the wii sales later this gen if not 2nd place for sure.

Sorry but I disagree here, the PS3 will not end up anywere close to the Wii when this generation ends... and I would bet my last penny that Sony tought they could have it all, quick Blue-Ray domination and console Domination... yes they won the format war (yes a big victory but how important that was is yet to be seen) but they gave away console domination and that can in no way have been the plan. Videogames are the biggest and fastes growing market in the entertainment industry, with the PS1 and the PS2 Sony had put itself way on top... had they done things right with the PS3 they could have crushed Nintendo and Microsoft... now they can be happy to turn up in second place sometime twards the end of the generation... there is no way Sony wanted that to happen...



 

 

 

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montrealsoon on 26 March 2008

Does someone have the MS Entertainment Division's mission statement that we can gauge success by?

All I am reading for the most part is personal interpretations/revisions of what individuals now see the goal as.

What I see as what MS have proven:

- can retain legacy market from last product
- can increase the introductory price of consoles


What hasn't been proven:

- increased marketshare outside legacy market from last product
- mass market appeal



dgm6780 on 26 March 2008

uhm Sony has sold more consoles then anyone in the past year. so tell me again how there is no brand loyalty. or how sony is failing?



Euphoria14 on 26 March 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
kowenicki said:
kowenicki said:
The important markets are the US, UK, Japan and to a lesser extent France. Not only the biggest seeling markets but also where most games are made. The southern Euro states, particularly Italy and Spain are so brand conscious it is embarrassing.... but they will eventually follow the trend elsewhere.... maybe next gen.

So how do you explain the gamecube?


Are you feeling alright?


 WOW!!! That completely blew right past me until you mentioned it. He quoted and questioned his own statement.

Funny stuff. :)



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rocketpig on 26 March 2008
montrealsoon said:
Does someone have the MS Entertainment Division's mission statement that we can gauge success by?

All I am reading for the most part is personal interpretations/revisions of what individuals now see the goal as.

What I see as what MS have proven:

- can retain legacy market from last product
- can increase the introductory price of consoles


What hasn't been proven:

- increased marketshare outside legacy market from last product
- mass market appeal


While the marketshare hasn't increased by an enormous amount, without a doubt it has increased:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=X360&reg1=All&cons2=XB&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=208

The 360 is charting ~3.5-4m ahead of the Xbox at this point in its life. Its sales numbers after ~2 1/3 years are right around the same numbers for the Xbox after ~3 years - and the Xbox was well into the holiday 2004 season and the obvious sales uptick from Nov-Dec.

So, the 360 is charting about 7 months in front of the Xbox. By the end of 2008, I think it will chart anywhere from 11-13 months ahead of the Xbox in the same timespan. Given the likelyhood of the 360 lasting at least one year longer than the Xbox - and its pathetic four year lifespan - and the price difference between the 2004 Xbox and the 2008 360 ($149.99 Xbox vs. 279/349 360 Pro depending on region), things aren't that bad for MS. The 360 is also charting higher than the Xbox in all three major regions.

In short, marketshare has been gained. All this and I didn't even touch on the profitability of the Xbox vs. 360...




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Zassk on 26 March 2008
gebx said:

MS improved in NA
MS improved in Japan
MS Failed in Europe


How do you figure it's failed in Europe?  MS has improved in Europe by a bigger % than they did in the other two markets.  Even 2008 is looking way up versus 2007 (almost 75% higher than this time last year).

You need to look past the PS3 sales and focus on how the 360 numbers are actually trending upward in Europe.  MS has improved a lot in Europe this gen.