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As someone who defended "too much water" I'm laughing at the utter craziness of this situation.
A large portion of the people who give a shit about this only do so because of their allegiance.

Pretty much every game gets an outlier score or two, some people just really hate a game they're reviewing. Nothing you can really do about that. I'm sure theres a gushing 10 out of 10 review out there thats badly done. someone in another thread mentioned that there was one were the reviewer talked about boring sections of the game, but still gave it a ten. Why are we not questioning ones like that as well?

Not everyone likes the same things. Nothing wrong with that



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naruball said:
MikeRox said:
Does that mean we can have all the reviews of Vita games that mark down heavily due to "Sexist fan service" as well? And just any general reviews we don't agree with?

Are they joke reviews? Do they have scores at the end? Do they talk at all about gameplay?

Actually a fair few of them don't really talk about the mechanics. But either way a review is a review. You either accept the crap that comes with that, or you open up a whole can of worms deciding what is a serious review what doesn't qualify as a review etc.

 

I've read plenty of supposedly serious reviews that would very easily be confused for jokes lol.



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Boutros said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Far from it. My post, and others on this site, draw attention to problems on Metacritic and in the industry at large. In fact, my post details a potential problem: us. I'm pooh-poohing this particular "problem," yes, but I'm urging people to think more broadly about bigger and more consequential problems. So I'm not sure where you're coming from.

And we seem to be arguing the same thing, I think? I think factionalism and parochialism make this Metacritic situation that much worse. You appear to believe the same?

Again, this comes down to whether you believe the petitioner and his supporters at face value or you don't. I don't, clearly. 

But, again, your post doesn't make much sense. You bash me for assuming the worst in people, and then assume the worst in me?

Again - and this is something I've posted dozens of times before - we need to stop crying foul only when a Nintendo game gets a lowball score or when a Sony game gets shortchanged. We need to protect all consumers and the medium in general. We can't just make a petition when we feel our favorites are under attack. We need to demand better from ourselves and from critics.

What's your solution?

Sorry, it's tough keeping up with all the new posts  

My solution is three-fold. And it covers the three main players in this critical triangle: publishers, critics, and readers.

First of all, we need to erect a more powerful barrier between the interests of the publisher and the interests of the press. Journalists need to stop accepting gifts, stop fraternizing with publishers, and stop allowing advertising dollars to dictate scoring. There are so many examples of web sites and publications getting into bed with publishers and advertisers to secure exclusive interviews, advance copies, and other favors. With video game companies finding new and creative ways to screw us, we need an independent press now more than ever.

Second of all, we need better trained and educated journalists. We need reporters and reviewers who have studied journalism, who are familiar with rules of engagement and journalistic integrity. We don't need converted fanboys and fangirls. We desperately need professionalism in the media. And we need investigative journalism.

Third of all, we need a culture change among consumers. Readers need to understand that it's the job of a reviewer to inform public opinion, not reflect it. Reviewers are hired (or should be hired) because of their experience, their writing skills, and their knowledge of the medium. They are, in short, authorities on video games. So when an otherwise highly-rated game gets a relatively low score, fans shouldn't insult or invalidate that score. If anything, they should applaud diverse opinions and perspectives. After all, that's where the strength of Metacritic lies: its ability to draw together opinions from many different, sometimes antagonistic, backgrounds. It's not supposed to validate or invalidate a purchase, or provide ammunition in the console wars.

None of these things will happen easily, if at all. But it falls to us. If we don't like a publisher's strong-arm tactics, we should vote with our wallets. If we think a web site is publishing amateurish, misinformed articles, we should refuse to visit that site. And if we see our peers expecting critics to conform to some fabled "objectivity," we should set them straight.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
pokoko said:

Let me say first of all that I don't like Uncharted.  It's not a favorite of mine by any means.  I don't like platformers and that includes auto-platformers.  The actual game itself is immaterial.  The score being a 94 or a 93 or a 78 means nothing.

What I and others have been talking about is that the circumstances around this review counting were questionable and that bears discussing as an issue unto itself.  Forget Uncharted.  This same situation happens with Mario or Halo and it will still be an issue.  Why can't we talk about that?  I don't even care if it ends up being resolved and it turns out that Metacritic acted according to their rules.  However, I see nothing wrong with asking them for clarification or talking about why things seemed questionable in the first place.  

It is not embarrassing to question when something seems out of the ordinary.  I don't even care about Metacritic but I'm not going to deny that it has impact on gaming.

That's fair enough. Believe me, I'm all for questioning the rules and ethics of Metacritic and games journalism. However, I still think this petition is embarrassing. And that's because (and again, this is just my interpretation) I feel that the author and most of the signees are more concerned with their GOTY dropping a point on Metacritic than they are with the integrity of the process. Maybe the majority of supporters are seriously invested in reforming the sytem. I would love that. I would love it if we took Metacritic less seriously and held journalists more accountable. But I can't help but feel this is just another chapter in the never-ending console war that textures everything in this industry.

In any event, it sounds like we're on the same page. All games and all genres should be given a fair chance. The same rules should apply to Uncharted, to Halo, to Super Mario.

I just worry that this petition, if successful, will signal a victory, an end. And the victors will retire until the next exclusive or favorite is under attack. One bad or misinterpreted score for a single game isn't the problem. The problem is systemic and we as consumers are complicit.

The petition itself was never part of my concern.  I didn't sign it because 1) I didn't know if the score was valid or not until we got clarification, 2) I don't care about the final score, anyway, and 3) petitions are worthless.  I, along with several others, just wanted to talk about the situation and make sure the process was legitimate.

I think our disconnect was that I took your post and "embarrassing" comment as criticism directed toward everyone in the thread who was actually discussing the circumstances.  If that wasn't your intent then I apologize.



pokoko said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

That's fair enough. Believe me, I'm all for questioning the rules and ethics of Metacritic and games journalism. However, I still think this petition is embarrassing. And that's because (and again, this is just my interpretation) I feel that the author and most of the signees are more concerned with their GOTY dropping a point on Metacritic than they are with the integrity of the process. Maybe the majority of supporters are seriously invested in reforming the sytem. I would love that. I would love it if we took Metacritic less seriously and held journalists more accountable. But I can't help but feel this is just another chapter in the never-ending console war that textures everything in this industry.

In any event, it sounds like we're on the same page. All games and all genres should be given a fair chance. The same rules should apply to Uncharted, to Halo, to Super Mario.

I just worry that this petition, if successful, will signal a victory, an end. And the victors will retire until the next exclusive or favorite is under attack. One bad or misinterpreted score for a single game isn't the problem. The problem is systemic and we as consumers are complicit.

The petition itself was never part of my concern.  I didn't sign it because 1) I didn't know if the score was valid or not until we got clarification, 2) I don't care about the final score, anyway, and 3) petitions are worthless.  I, along with several others, just wanted to talk about the situation and make sure the process was legitimate.

I think our disconnect was that I took your post and "embarrassing" comment as criticism directed toward everyone in the thread who was actually discussing the circumstances.  If that wasn't your intent then I apologize.

Perhaps using such a provocative word was a mistake. I think my years on this forum have left me a little cynical.

Sometimes it's hard to convey nuance in writing (without inflection and body language) so if I painted with too broad a stroke, I apologize too.



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Blob said:
As someone who defended "too much water" I'm laughing at the utter craziness of this situation.
A large portion of the people who give a shit about this only do so because of their allegiance.

Pretty much every game gets an outlier score or two, some people just really hate a game they're reviewing. Nothing you can really do about that. I'm sure theres a gushing 10 out of 10 review out there thats badly done. someone in another thread mentioned that there was one were the reviewer talked about boring sections of the game, but still gave it a ten. Why are we not questioning ones like that as well?

Not everyone likes the same things. Nothing wrong with that

People only care about things that concern them well bloody hell I never knew that, that doesn't means these people are wrong, it's clearly a troll review. The talking point should be talking about the process of reviews on a site like metacritic, if the industry is goign to give so much importance on metacritic it needs managed better. 



Tmfwang said:

5,000 Signatures, and still going strong

did you create this petition?



Well now he can take down the petition, the reviewer can learn to write an in-depth review and we can all relax.....right?



I'd like a petition to remove all perfect scores because I feel that no game is perfect. I'm sure there are others that will agree



4 ≈ One

No, I did not

walterbates said:
Tmfwang said:

5,000 Signatures, and still going strong

did you create this petition?



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