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I kinda fell off the rumour wagon and am no longer up to date with all that we know about NX, but from what I know, NX will launch around March 2017. This made me think - what if Nintendo decided to reverse what it did with Wii U (old tech that only got more expensive with time) and instead went with the newest tech that will only get cheaper with time? And one that at the same price will offer better performance and efiiciency? What if Nintendo decided to use a fully 14 nm AMD APU consisting of a low-end Zen CPU and a Polaris 11 GPU? So basically a low end APU? I mean, at that point next year AMD will already have mastered the tech around Polaris (we'll probably have Vega already) and even Zen will be out for a few months.

What if all the delays (both of NX and of Zen) are caused by the deal between N and AMD, so AMD is now working on an APU for NX to release it asap?

Do you think it's possible? Would Nintendo go all-out like that? I'd love if they did, since they'd get so far ahead of competition it's not even funny and that is something they could sure use. Sony and MS are held back by the architecture of PS4 and Xbone and they have a limited field of upgrades, so Nintendo could take advantage of this and get a huge step ahead.

Is it possible? Would N do it? How good of an idea do you think it is? Would 3rd parties take advantage of the extra power?



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just think about it, more power than the gpu of the ps4 and xbox one and less power consumption (something that Nintendo loves), amd is making the gpu for the nx and both polaris and nx are months away... do you need an official confirmation? Plus Nintendo's logo is red again.



onionberry said:
just think about it, more power than the gpu of the ps4 and xbox one and less power consumption (something that Nintendo loves), amd is making the gpu for the nx and both polaris and nx are months away... do you need an official confirmation? Plus Nintendo's logo is red again.

I really hope is Polaris, or better yet. Zen. The problem is, unless Nintendo get's a good deal, it'll be $399 for the console. That's just covers the console without a disk drive or controller. So the system would likely need to launch at $449 or $499. Which would be fine as many people would happily pay that much for a console with that much lasting value. Those chips are roughly said to be $349 for the lower end, but Nintendo will likely get a deal, maybe even a $100 off of that. The only problem is, Kimishima stated that the NX will not be sold at a loss. So yes, I think an official confirmation would be needed at this point.  Despite Kimishima has a very different mindset from Iwata. You just never know, but I certainly hope so. It just means a loss may be required, which he stated to the shareholders that this will not be happening.




Airaku said:
onionberry said:
just think about it, more power than the gpu of the ps4 and xbox one and less power consumption (something that Nintendo loves), amd is making the gpu for the nx and both polaris and nx are months away... do you need an official confirmation? Plus Nintendo's logo is red again.

I really hope is Polaris, or better yet. Zen. The problem is, unless Nintendo get's a good deal, it'll be $399 for the console. That's just covers the console without a disk drive or controller. So the system would likely need to launch at $449 or $499. Which would be fine as many people would happily pay that much for a console with that much lasting value. Those chips are roughly said to be $349 for the lower end, but Nintendo will likely get a deal, maybe even a $100 off of that. The only problem is, Kimishima stated that the NX will not be sold at a loss. So yes, I think an official confirmation would be needed at this point.  Despite Kimishima has a very different mindset from Iwata. You just never know, but I certainly hope so. It just means a loss may be required, which he stated to the shareholders that this will not be happening.

Remember, Nintendo is going to do a deal for a custom chip based on polaris, they are not going to put a normal polaris gpu on the nx. My bet, it's going to be a $400 console or less if they find a way to sell a powerful console for $300.



onionberry said:
                                         

Remember, Nintendo is going to do a deal for a custom chip based on polaris, they are not going to put a normal polaris gpu on the nx. My bet, it's going to be a $400 console or less if they find a way to sell a powerful console for $300.

I know that, and that is what I am hoping for. The chip is new and top of the line for a console. At $299... it will be very mediocre. Great for a console, but out dated out the door. On the brightside. The Jaguar APU in the PS4 and Xbox One were far more outdated during it's release.

Kimishima did hint that the console will cost more than past Nintendo consoles. I believe he used the wording of "current conditions". Though it is most likely that he was talking about economic conditions, rather than the affordability for the consumer. At this rate... it can go either way. The only realistic guess at this rate is the mid-ranged chip, which will be very powerful for a console from any perspective. They would shoot themselves in the foot with a low end chip,yet also little risky to go with a high end chip. Developers can only utilise so much with the PS4 and Xbox One, but first party titles will look phenomenal. Then poses the problem that Nintendo will once again vastly outshine the 3rd parties on its own console.




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Emily Rogers makes this a pretty clear "no."



onionberry said:
just think about it, more power than the gpu of the ps4 and xbox one and less power consumption (something that Nintendo loves), amd is making the gpu for the nx and both polaris and nx are months away... do you need an official confirmation? Plus Nintendo's logo is red again.

Polaris-based GPU is pretty much a given for me - there is everything speaking for it and nothing against. It's the Zen CPU-based APU that's most interesting for me. This would give NX the extra umpf it needs to outclass PS4 Neo.

The best APU right now costs $140 at retail (I believe), a medium-level Zen/Polaris one should be very affordable for N and would easily allow to fit in the $399 limit. The question is, how late before the release of NX can this chip hit the market? Zen was scheduled for Q3 2016, but got delayed to Q4. Isn't that too late? Or is it because AMD is building the APU and will have it for March for Nintendo? I'd love it if this was true, since it'd make NX a powerhouse at the same price. And very power-efficient at that.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

Mar1217 said:
spemanig said:
Emily Rogers makes this a pretty clear "no."

Ahahaha ! Don't tell me you trust her that much ?

Don't see why anyone shouldn't.



spemanig said:
Emily Rogers makes this a pretty clear "no."

Emily rogers said that the console is not going to be more  powerful than the ps4 based  on the specs that she supposedly has, those specs are not more powerful than a ps4 if you use those numbers on a current gpu. polaris, could be more powerfull than a current gpu even if the gpu has a lower clock speed and less power comsuption.

 

PS, I don't think that she has that kind of info.



spemanig said:
Emily Rogers makes this a pretty clear "no."

I know she is an insider and all, but I doubt she has a clue of what the final NX hardware is running on! Even early physical dev kits won't have final chips in them, they most likely have a current comparable gpu that they are using until final hardware goes into production.