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Ganoncrotch said:
JWeinCom said:
Only character that should have died was Zemo. I'm not a huge Panther fan, but he was a prominent part of New Avengers and Secret Wars, so I'm a bit familiar... and that dude holds grudges man.

He didn't actually kill the man who killed his father, he didn't even allow him to put a bullet in his own head.

One thing to consider though before you attack Civil War for not having enough meaningful plot, there was how many characters on screen? Cap, Stank, Witch, Falcon, Vision, Parker, Hawk Eye, Romanov, Bucky, War Machine, Panther, Ant Man .... eeerrr... I could have missed one but yeah, you got basically 12 (or more) main characters, all of whom got their own portion of screentime (holy fuck at some of Romanov's Wrestling moves, I was on the edge of my seat for those takedowns) I mean the movie was little over 2 hours which basically allows 10minutes per character on screen if you allow no one outside the "Good Guys" but they managed to do it, and not even feel like it was being squashed in at all....

Now think back to Batman V Superman... we got closer to 3 hours, 8 mins or so of them actually duking it out, 20+ pointless flash backs and dream sequences, Wonder Woman .... was there at times for posing, Lous Lane was there... when the plot needed there to be a danger element for Superman, I mean so much time was blown with pointless comic book shots of superman flying over people and posing that even Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash were jammed into less than a minute each, if Justice league would ever have the same number of heroes as was featured in Civil war we can expect a movie with a runtime in days... not hours.

 

I fucking loved Civil war... can't say much more than that, oh! and in terms of the Cinema reaction to Civil war, there was a whole family to the right of us there, like... a movie you can take kids to while still having amazing action for adults +bonus points right there, can't imagine any kids enjoying BvS, humourless and pointless scenes would never keep the younglings interested.

Not every superhero movie has to be for kids. 



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method114 said:

As far as Rhodes not dying from the fall I put that on the iron man suit. I would assume Tony would design the suits to handle an impact like that very well. 

I agree with you on this, not sure why many can't see that, although I agree with Teeqoz on the Spider-man thing. I think if Cap found out that Tony had bought a kid to fight these guys, it would have had a bigger impact of Steve's relationship with Tony (while Rhody being injured was the other way around, the ending was the final nail so to speak).

However I think BP would have killed Bucky in that fight if he had the chance, most were holding their punches back.



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Lawlight said:
Ganoncrotch said:

He didn't actually kill the man who killed his father, he didn't even allow him to put a bullet in his own head.

One thing to consider though before you attack Civil War for not having enough meaningful plot, there was how many characters on screen? Cap, Stank, Witch, Falcon, Vision, Parker, Hawk Eye, Romanov, Bucky, War Machine, Panther, Ant Man .... eeerrr... I could have missed one but yeah, you got basically 12 (or more) main characters, all of whom got their own portion of screentime (holy fuck at some of Romanov's Wrestling moves, I was on the edge of my seat for those takedowns) I mean the movie was little over 2 hours which basically allows 10minutes per character on screen if you allow no one outside the "Good Guys" but they managed to do it, and not even feel like it was being squashed in at all....

Now think back to Batman V Superman... we got closer to 3 hours, 8 mins or so of them actually duking it out, 20+ pointless flash backs and dream sequences, Wonder Woman .... was there at times for posing, Lous Lane was there... when the plot needed there to be a danger element for Superman, I mean so much time was blown with pointless comic book shots of superman flying over people and posing that even Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash were jammed into less than a minute each, if Justice league would ever have the same number of heroes as was featured in Civil war we can expect a movie with a runtime in days... not hours.

 

I fucking loved Civil war... can't say much more than that, oh! and in terms of the Cinema reaction to Civil war, there was a whole family to the right of us there, like... a movie you can take kids to while still having amazing action for adults +bonus points right there, can't imagine any kids enjoying BvS, humourless and pointless scenes would never keep the younglings interested.

Not every superhero movie has to be for kids. 

Well, they always are. When they're rated PG-13. But I know what you mean. You want the story being told as realistic, as possible. That's the problem with the writers. If Batman: TAS can do such stories. For kids 7+. A movie can hit a lot of areas, at 13+.



Lawlight said:
Ganoncrotch said:

He didn't actually kill the man who killed his father, he didn't even allow him to put a bullet in his own head.

One thing to consider though before you attack Civil War for not having enough meaningful plot, there was how many characters on screen? Cap, Stank, Witch, Falcon, Vision, Parker, Hawk Eye, Romanov, Bucky, War Machine, Panther, Ant Man .... eeerrr... I could have missed one but yeah, you got basically 12 (or more) main characters, all of whom got their own portion of screentime (holy fuck at some of Romanov's Wrestling moves, I was on the edge of my seat for those takedowns) I mean the movie was little over 2 hours which basically allows 10minutes per character on screen if you allow no one outside the "Good Guys" but they managed to do it, and not even feel like it was being squashed in at all....

Now think back to Batman V Superman... we got closer to 3 hours, 8 mins or so of them actually duking it out, 20+ pointless flash backs and dream sequences, Wonder Woman .... was there at times for posing, Lous Lane was there... when the plot needed there to be a danger element for Superman, I mean so much time was blown with pointless comic book shots of superman flying over people and posing that even Cyborg, Aquaman and Flash were jammed into less than a minute each, if Justice league would ever have the same number of heroes as was featured in Civil war we can expect a movie with a runtime in days... not hours.

 

I fucking loved Civil war... can't say much more than that, oh! and in terms of the Cinema reaction to Civil war, there was a whole family to the right of us there, like... a movie you can take kids to while still having amazing action for adults +bonus points right there, can't imagine any kids enjoying BvS, humourless and pointless scenes would never keep the younglings interested.

Not every superhero movie has to be for kids. 

Sure, but a movie that parents will happily allow or take their kids to means that you plant the seed of nerddom in children as they grow up, if you keep everything dark gritty and bullet in the head of jimmy olsen... you end up with parents not wanting their kids going to see Batman movies, means less money going into the movies that we love since there isn't profit to be made if the whole family can't attend.



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d21lewis said:
method114 said:

Yea I didn't feel there were to many characters that was never a complaint I even thought about. To many story lines crammed into one movie is my main issue.

Too many storylines. You're probably right.

 

List them.

They had the death of superman storyline going

Batman vs Superman storyline going

Then they had a small introduction into the justice league going

To me simply having Batman vs Superman and the Death of Superman in one movie is way way to much. It seems simple "oh that's only two story lines" but those are two very big stories and ones that shouldn't be put into the same movie. The death of superman literally had no emotional impact at all in this movie. The comics provided more of an emotional impact then this movie ever came close to doing. They Death of Superman should have been it's own superman stand alone movie and this movie should have focused on batman vs superman and that's it. They could have ended it with Luther awakening Doomsday or just have Doomsday bust out of the device Luther was messing with.