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ArchangelMadzz on 20 April 2016
Turkish said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Judgin from that GPU upgrade it'll probably be like PS4 medium PC settings, PS4K High PC settings.

PS4 is already mostly High settings, PS4K with 4.1TFLOP is Ultra settings. The AMD R9 380X which is 3.9TFLOP can run the Witcher 3 at Ultra settings with 54fps.

I wasn't aware it was 4.1 TFLOP, well damn that CAN do 4k 30fps Medium settings. 

My wallet hurts because that'll probably be expensive, at least I can sell my current PS4 to take the cost off a little.



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goopy20 on 20 April 2016

They can't just give up and hope for a better run next gen. Consumers always remember how a console did last gen. And nobody is going to buy the next Xbox, knowing they dropped support on their last console if they decided to just pull out this gen.



theprof00 on 20 April 2016
Azzanation said:

They don't need to do anything, As long as MS are making money and making good games, they will ride the flow. Its not always about selling the most consoles, its about making money. The XB1 will only get cheaper to make from this point. If the PS4K doesn't sell then Sony will most likely lose money on it, same will happen with PS-VR and we know Sony isn't exactly the richest company out there.

MS doesn't care about the PS4K, that's Sony's investment to worry about. They are clearly happy with the specs of the X1 plus they already have access to the biggest gaming community out there with Windows.

Sony are the ones taking the risk here not MS.

This guy gets it.

It's not about console sales. It's about profit.



Mafioso on 20 April 2016

TFlops are theoretical numbers.

The CU improvement on the pS4K takes it from a 7850 to a 7970-like level of performance. It will be based on the R9 480 with the newer cores, but it will also be running below clock speed of the desktop variant and its still being pushed by slow Jag cores that are not quite i7's to compare them to the type of performance ceiling the desktop parts allow for.



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StuOhQ on 20 April 2016
Chazore said:
Well so far MS is putting focus on titles on their system and BC, MS can't really do anything else, though it will be interesting to see which systems in the future are able to play the most games from both the past, present and future, all without paying to constantly stream them of course because there's the whole I want to own my games" deal constantly being used.

 

My biggest gripe about the PS4. No way to purchase Playstation classics. At least let me "rent" them indefinitely, if there's no way to just download the games outright. 

 

This pisses me off almost every time I fire up my PS4, which is why I don't do it very often. 



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bigtakilla on 20 April 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
Azzanation said:

Please enlighten me on how there not making money with all the consoles, software sold and the amount of Subscribers they have and how PC gaming is relevant with the competition in the living room?

Because they have tremendous R&D costs to make up for, employees to pay, server farms to power, development costs to eat, vastly lower than anticipated hardware sales which is important because they have a loss leading strategy, software is not selling like they had hoped (this is the big key to loss leading, you need massive software sales to make up for the losses on each console) they've had to make nunerous price cuts repeatedly to try and spur sales which didn't work, but definitely ate into the bottom line, uhm... I know I'm missing quite a bit more. The mere fact that they started hiding Xbox numbers this gen and only this gen should be a big red flag.

 

Did you know that they thought this gen had the potential to sell over 1 billion consoles? Did you know that they spent over 100 million in R&D for the controller alone? Did you know that they thought they would break even on MineCraft the same year they purchased the rights and studio (sold for 2.5 billion btw)

 

The point is they are extremely out of touch with their consumers and blinded by greed. They have no business in the gaming space and quite frankly with the amount of money they've invested, they're just bad at it. 

Agreed, then people need to take a look at these software numbers and remember most of these guys are third party so the share Microsoft gets are relatively small.

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/68/xbox-one/

All Microsoft has is their average hardware numbers to limp through the gen. If NX or PS4k impact that at all (which c'mon is HIGHLY likely), they will have to react.

As I said elsewhere too, releasing a console in 2017 (though unlikely) could really put PS in a bind. They won't want to drop support for PS4k that early and piss of people more than they have. The earliest PS would likely react to that would be 2018, but more likely 2019-2020 giving Microsoft a huge advantage for a few years. 



Conina on 20 April 2016
Mafioso said:

 

I'm expecting the new consoles to use 20nm, as 16nm is pipedream to cram the custom architecture they use. AMD/Nvidia will be at 16m this year on the GPU alone, and the consoles need 8core APU's with the custom memory configuration and gates that were architectured for them.

Which new consoles do you expect to use 20nm? AMD canceled all 20nm-chips last year, not only for the GPU development:

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/amd-officially-cancels-20nm-chips-takes-33-million-charge/

So new consoles or console revisions will be either 28nm or 14/16nm. 



Mafioso on 20 April 2016

So it looks like it will be 16nm, 20nm was rumored last year for the slim revisions. I stand corrected.

Has AMD announced any 14nm APU's?



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Azzanation on 20 April 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
Azzanation said:

Please enlighten me on how there not making money with all the consoles, software sold and the amount of Subscribers they have and how PC gaming is relevant with the competition in the living room?

Because they have tremendous R&D costs to make up for, employees to pay, server farms to power, development costs to eat, vastly lower than anticipated hardware sales which is important because they have a loss leading strategy, software is not selling like they had hoped (this is the big key to loss leading, you need massive software sales to make up for the losses on each console) they've had to make nunerous price cuts repeatedly to try and spur sales which didn't work, but definitely ate into the bottom line, uhm... I know I'm missing quite a bit more. The mere fact that they started hiding Xbox numbers this gen and only this gen should be a big red flag.

 

Did you know that they thought this gen had the potential to sell over 1 billion consoles? Did you know that they spent over 100 million in R&D for the controller alone? Did you know that they thought they would break even on MineCraft the same year they purchased the rights and studio (sold for 2.5 billion btw)

 

The point is they are extremely out of touch with their consumers and blinded by greed. They have no business in the gaming space and quite frankly with the amount of money they've invested, they're just bad at it. 

Care to link facts instead of just your assumptions, because you know what assuming means.

Apart from RnD costs which we all know takes years to overcome (Same for the PS4, and now PS4K) the XB1 is outpacing the 360 which was considered a major success and that had a debt of $1billion to fix Red Ring issues. XB1 has had no such issues and is actually a well built and designed console made to last. Why don’t you do a little research and work out how much money Xbox has made off Gold Subscribers for the past decade, let alone the amount of income Halo and Minecraft rack in a yearly alone.

 http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-sales-outpacing-xbox-360-at-same-point-in-generation-as-we-enter-2016



Chazore on 20 April 2016
StuOhQ said:

My biggest gripe about the PS4. No way to purchase Playstation classics. At least let me "rent" them indefinitely, if there's no way to just download the games outright. 

 

This pisses me off almost every time I fire up my PS4, which is why I don't do it very often. 

It's just another reason why I  haven't bothered with this gen since on my PC I can play games from at least 30 or more years ago, on current gen I'll be lucky to play a handful of last gen games if at all, I really should be able to play all games from the first console iteration of that system to the current because that's generally what I want, I don't want to play a game a few times and have it locked away forever, never to be played again.



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